' Wrote:Hi.

This topic has come up many many many many many many times now.

The mining mod was designed to give a boost to corporate groups which otherwise did not exist.

Pre mining mod Molly: Dammit man where's BMM we don't have our mortal enemy to shoot at this blows. Dublin is empty and there is nothing for us to do I know let's camp West Point.

Post mining mod Molly: GIVE ME A PICKAXE OR GIVE ME THREAD

I am extraordinarily wary of spreading the love by giving mining bonus' to pierat groups such as the Hessians, Mollies and so on. To be honest they generally have the hardware advantage over the corporations as well as the numbers. So what does this mean?

It means you will wake up, undock from Arranmore to find that the 8 BMM mining ships that you spotted yesterday and considered to be a tasty dish have been replaced with 8 Molly mining ships.

There will be lots of Mollys on the server all of a sudden. But not very many "Mollys", if you catch my drift.

<strike>Then you'll get angry and demand that the Molly bonus be removed</strike> Actually you'll probably all buy battleships and shoot the BAF. But I still think it's a bad idea.

' Wrote:Nope.

Mining mod = Corporation love.

Enjoy that you can shoot BMM. Dynamic asteroids. You can mine in a Barghest and the yields are amazing.

In short: No meatsticks. I am not of a mind to change my position on this anytime soon.

' Wrote:So basically what you want is that miners can sit in one place, travel a few systems and make obscene amounts of money while other factions that has similar characteristics need to work in groups to make less money? While I do understand that pirates can simply pirate to get their ore it hardly seems fair to neglect such a huge part of a faction because "corporations need love".

This whole "corporation love" wave that's been going on lately is understandable. Corporations were dead putting it bluntly. But here is the truth: You can never spread activity evenly across factions. Just like everyone did the Niobium-Diamond run everyone will run towards whatever activity is the most profitable. The only thing you did was shift the balance from pirates to miners and mining corps. (not even all corps mind you.)

PS: I especially liked that last phrase on your other post because what I have seen is exactly the opposite, that being BAF battleships with little knowledge of RP. And guess where they got the money from.

PPS: No, I do not own a Molly, before you even start throwing accusations of bias at me.

' Wrote:sick burn!

' Wrote:Pfff.

What the mollies need is smugglers to sell their gold, to, not some new trade route so they can lolmine like the rest of Dublin. Actually, I'd really like if profits on any gold route would be decreased. I see too many cases of miners loading on their own transport, or simply mining ships transporting across half the galaxy.

Actually, strip 80% of guns from miners and transports. Get people to have to work together to make profit, for god's sake. 10+ gun mining ships, 12+ gun transports - this is a farce. And I'm saying that as a transport pilot.

I hate n00b/lolwut/OORP minegrinders, and this Molly gold route idea would only create more of them. Especially since they would use jumpholes, thus pretty much create a way for unchallanged powermining.
Also: what's with this thread necromancy? This thing was dead for over 3 months now.

' Wrote:Transports and miners are sitting ducks for pirates etc.
Doing anything to them now would unbalance things a bit too much.

Mollys ought to have a gold bonus but as they are classified as unlawful, they aren't allowed it, for balance reasons.
That said, the winds of change are blowing.

' Wrote:Yes that's exactly right AJBeast. I want miners to sit in one place, travel a few systems and make obscene amounts of money while other factions that have similar characteristics need to work in groups to make less money.

You hit the nail exactly on the head.

I'm glad that the intent is shining through.

Now to the serious reply.

I don't think you're biased. I think that you're selfish, insincere, short sighted and biased. But then it's going to be a long time before my faith in certain persons is restored following the bugged scrap field fiasco following the server move and some of the code upset that followed.

You airquote "corporate love" in one paragraph and admit that corporations need love in the second. You troll the idea behind mining in one paragraph and then demand that system be applied to other groups in the second. You admit that pirates have alternative options to corporations in the first paragraph and then decry diversity in the second.

Then you complain, what, that everyone runs to the group that is most profitable? How is that even relevant? What are you trying to say? Do you even know? What are you even trying to argue? That pirate groups should be able to generate commercial revenue while waiting for corporate targets to amble by? That the idea that it's -wrong- that Corporations are in a position to generate wealth at a greater rate than organizations that are given license to hunt them for gain?

Here's the rub. This is a game mechanics issue. There are two groups involved here. Hunters and prey. There are the appeals, pros and cons of group A. There are the appeals, pros and cons of group B. Group A has teeth. Group B has fat and fur.

That's the system that we've established in Discovery. That's what's staying. Pax Corporations.

' Wrote:Oh well.
I guess you'll have to get back to same mining as I do Sprolf.
Hit the miner few times, ore falls out. Mining.