' Wrote:Terrorists are people who are not afraid to take innocent lives to forward their cause, either through the following genesis of panic, terror, or destabilisation of infrastructure, etc etc. They work for an idealogical goal.

Pirates are people who are not afraid to commit crimes to benefit themselves. This may incidentally include killing, and usually involves some form of monetary theft, be it of cargo or credits. Taking lives, however, is usually a last resort for pirates and it is not what they have in mind. They work for themselves.

It is impossible to be a good Terrorist with a Pirate ID, as you can not kill transports and freighters - traders - who are the most "innocent" lives on Discovery, basically civilians - part of the civilian workforce and infrastructure, anyway. Transports are seldom attached to military - or non-civilian - factions.

It's impossible to effectively be a terrorist with the Pirate ID, because you can only ask for cargo and kill on occasion. Pirates are interested in omitting crimes for gain of wealth, Terrorists do it for primarily more idealogical reasons, ones they are not afraid to kill for.


With the Terrorist ID, you can indeed kill these people, as being a "terrorist" would demand. Killing to push your cause is all that matters.

With the Pirate ID, you can't at all, as being a "pirate" would demand. Loot before killing.

' Wrote:Well I said in that specific situation the Terrorist Character does not have to stay silent. He can make a funny poem or a scary saying of how he enjoys watching things burns and THEN he fires. You asked me whether or not a demand was needed, that was your statement, you did not mention anything about being a mute fella. I would find that pretty good RP if it's not just some "Wooo I'm scary now you dai!". Hell do I know if people are creative its up to that specific character to show me, but of course with a Terrorist ID I expect some quality.

' Wrote:I wrote a post three pages ago, but I'm going to write a new one.

AJ, you have an axe to grind. When it comes to anyone with a terrorist-type ID, all I've seen is bitching, with no suggestions other than "let me escape" or "take away their privileges". And yet, I have yet to see anyone who actually holds a terrorist-type ID to dismiss you out of hand, even though others do. In the Phantom feedback thread, they asked for the situation and analyzed it when you provided it. Your complaints here have been discussed by the people you're complaining about.

*snip*

So, is this just another "you guys blow up my powertrader I hate you you shouldn't exist" thread, or does anyone have specific complaints? Go on, give us a situation and tell us what we should have done differently, thinking about it from our perspective. I dare you, just like you "dared" the Phantoms.
EDIT: Seth's got a good point. We get our PvP mainly by defending the hordes of people who come after us rather than going out and looking for it. The terrorist ID pretty much paints "Acceptable Target" on you ingame. Shame that carries over to the forums.

' Wrote:And once again you as most everyone else falls into the same mistake of being so smug and egotistical to believe you are perfect and everyone else is wrong. I don't do this "because I got blown up", I do it out of principle. I see something counter-productive and harmful to the roleplay environment, something that facilitates PvP whoring, double standards and bias and worst of all, I see it being admin-sponsored and I want to show my point of view to the community and see if I am missing anything, if I am indeed right in the stance I took. Nearly everyone other than Zeltak gave me either complete BS or arguments with no backing to them.

If you want to throw poop, the door is right there. Kthnxbai.

PS: You want specific arguments? Ask them from the community in general. Mine are already posted in the respective feedback threads.

' Wrote:Did I say I was perfect? I'd be lying if I did. Actually, I think I told you that if you caught someone I'm responsible for doing something undeserving of the trust placed in them (I'm responsible for myself too) that I'd string them up by their man parts.

' Wrote:Now, "harmful to the roleplay environment"...

You know why Das Wilde went to Bretonia in the first place? Because we were asked to. By the Queen of Bretonia. Because we were wanted to build off of RP, and to build a story there- which we did. There's dozens of pages of RP just on the forums about the Cambridge event series, and I do mean DOZENS, not to mention the countless interaction ingame that resulted in piles of kudos's flying every which way. Not to mention everything we've done since then, or anything inspired by it, or Austin Goodmen, or...

Do you want me to drag up the kudos and compare them to specific examples of "I don't think Das Wilde should have done this here"? I can, but you'd have to give me a week because we've been doing this for over a year and there's a lot of them.

' Wrote:Admin sponsored... and you say we're the ones ignoring the facts? Would you like me to explain what happened to the last SRP that Das Wilde filled out? The admins definitely have a close eye on us, and most certainly don't just let us do whatever. Hell, go back to the original faction creation request. Korrd came out in the first page or so and said "NO" pretty loudly, as did a few others.

We have feedback threads, which are used. Specific complaints are addressed, as they have always been. Find me something that we ignored. Go on. I "dare" you. The onus is on you, as you're the one calling me and mine pvp-whoring and the admin's pets.

' Wrote:Give me something to address, and I'll address it. Until then, shut the f*** up, I do not take baseless insults kindly.

EDIT: Oh, were you just insulting me because you thought I was a Phantom? That's rich. I'm not. The peeps I have with terrorist-type IDs are

Hektor.Schneider (Das Wilde Wraith VHF)
Hektor.Schneider. (Das Wilde Bergelmir bomber)
Vorzeichen (Das Wilde Scorpion gunboat drone)
Mishi.Miyazawa (Aoi Iseijin Chimaera) - name soon to change, though

' Wrote:Do not make false assumptions about people if you don't want such interpretations to shine through then.
To be honest, the Wilde are the second best regarded exclusive faction in my eyes, beaten only by the SCRA. Most likely due to my lack of interaction with you, but meh.

Quote:I already gave something to address, something you completely ignored. In case you missed it, I will say it again: What role does the Terrorist ID allows to play that other IDs don't already?

' Wrote:Cambridge event series. The BAF have an important artifact (The Sword in the Stone), Das Wilde is trying to take it. Direct force has failed, so Das Wilde asks the BAF to return it and avoid more bloodshed. The BAF say they'd rather have their people die than help us.

So we oblige. We send teams into Bretonian sovereign territory and kill everything that moves, saying that the killing will stop as soon as the BAF return to the negotiation table. The point is not to get anything from the traders. The point is to cause an incident with the Bretonian government and force them into acting. If we let the civilians weasel their way out, it would not have so much impact, and the brets could just say "it's your own fault for not paying them". This way, there is only one response, and it's the response we want.

THAT is terrorism. Killing innocents to get what you want from others.

Quote:"All Terrorists are pvpwhoring retards."

Quote:I see something counter-productive and harmful to the roleplay environment, something that facilitates PvP whoring, double standards and bias and worst of all, I see it being admin-sponsored

Quote:On the edit... How cute, making baseless accusations again. Unless you actually know me, you shut the **** up and don't go around baseless insults yourself.

Quote:PPS: I didn't give any suggestions in the situations I faced because I saw none. Talking about the Phantoms, as I presume you were, they "cornered" themselves into a RP in which it is very hard to do anything other than PvP whore. Or at least, so I would think taking from what I have experienced.

Quote:Anyways, I see this thread de-railing really fast.

' Wrote:Kuthmii I've come to expect nothing less from, but whatever. If he gives me something more specific than "you suck do this even when it doesn't make sense" then I'll work with it, because even when most people would just click "ignore" I keep trying. Anyone remember what I was like during Akumabito's days? I just don't quit. I answer everything, because if I can't then something is wrong on my end and that means it's up to me to fix it. If you put something specific in here and I missed it point it out again, I've been too busy dealing with skype to read everything.

If a member of Das Wilde goes ***darkname*** and shoots you with nothing else until you're dead, and we can't explain why later, then I'll personally string them up by their man parts. There have been, however, times that we -do- things kind of like that, though I make a point to explain at first opportunity. During the Cambridge events series, we were racking up civilian casualties to try and force the BAF into caving to our demands. The entire point was to kill people, not to acquire materials or anything. Those that survived were told why we were doing it so that they could tell tales and complain to the BAF.

Quote:Cambridge event series. The BAF have an important artifact (The Sword in the Stone), Das Wilde is trying to take it. Direct force has failed, so Das Wilde asks the BAF to return it and avoid more bloodshed. The BAF say they'd rather have their people die than help us.

So we oblige. We send teams into Bretonian sovereign territory and kill everything that moves, saying that the killing will stop as soon as the BAF return to the negotiation table. The point is not to get anything from the traders. The point is to cause an incident with the Bretonian government and force them into acting. If we let the civilians weasel their way out, it would not have so much impact, and the brets could just say "it's your own fault for not paying them". This way, there is only one response, and it's the response we want.

THAT is terrorism. Killing innocents to get what you want from others.

' Wrote:^ That is terrorism. Thing is, do you people even bother letting the 'innocent' traders know why you are killing them? Do you bother taking into account that you just ruined their fun to get your fun? I'd be fine if I was one of those innocent traders, but if no one explained it to me I'd be pissed. We shouldn't have to come to the forums with screens saying, "WTF!" in order to understand what happened. You, as the person granted extra freedoms because you are better at RP then us should explain it to us so we understand it.