+- Discovery Gaming Community (https://discoverygc.com/forums)
+-- Forum: Discovery Development (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=7)
+--- Forum: Discovery Mod General Discussion (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=37)
+--- Thread: Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? (/showthread.php?tid=39220)
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - guitarguy - 05-13-2010
If we restrict what police and military can do, we'll have to restrict what pirates can do to be fair.
Restrictions != Happiness
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - Aphil - 05-13-2010
' Wrote:As long as Gunboats are allowed to pirate this will continue.
Gunboats should be treated as military-grade vessels - and excluded along with Cruisers and Battleships!
If any class of ship should be spammed by pirates - it is Pirate Transports, Bombers and Freighters.
Thous would draw a sharper line between unlawfuls in a criminal mode (piracy), and unlawfuls in a military mode (ambushing military ships).
Pirates can still gang up and still be a threat, but you wont have the 5GGs (5 Gunboat Gank) squads attacking EVERYTHING in sight.
5 PTrans can still dish out the hurt - but are also vulnerable to a counter-attack from the police and military - and this is what you want to see. Not this absurd situation where pirates suddenly own entire systems because of the firepower they can bring to bear against all and sundry.
Let the pirates use non-military grade ships to pirate.
Let the traders call for police help - or use their own merchant-navy escorts.
Let the Police call for military backup if the pirates are too good.
Let the Pirates call for their own paramilitary backup to assault the military!
I have to agree with Friday. We should stop the Gunboats from pirating. Honestly, Gunboats are Military-Grade. I really doubt that the factions who make them would use them for piracy instead of say defence or against Military Targets. I'd prefer to see more PTrans and Bombers then Gunboats. Alas, That's just my opinion and I'm sure the Gunboat users would whine and cry.
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - dodike - 05-14-2010
I wonder why the LPI bothers with Liberators when most of the pirates use gunboats.
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - Hawkwings - 05-14-2010
It's called roleplay, and it's something that trigger-happy pewpewers who escalate into bigger ships every time their enemy upgrades could take a lesson from.
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - Lancelot9 - 05-14-2010
I think it would be easiest to remove police factions and just go with militaries who control all things illegal in house. In Bretonia, police ships are generally incapable of stopping much anyway...
If however, restrictions were to be made, I would suggest that militaries DO fight piracy. The only thing that police would really be left with here is petty crime, and smuggling. Left mostly to becoming cannon fodder for anyone else.
Coast guard? They only really deal with illegal immigrants and smugglers - everything else on the high seas is the jurisdiction of the navies. Same should apply to space.
In real life tanks don't pull me over, but then again I am also not driving a tank!
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - guitarguy - 05-14-2010
About the original question.
No, I haven't been pulled over by a tank, but I haven't seen criminals running around in armored vehicles either.
I'm fairly confident that if the bad guys used tanks, the good guys would too.
So we have pirate gunboats being countered by police bombers/gunboats.
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - hack - 05-15-2010
' Wrote:I think it would be easiest to remove police factions and just go with militaries who control all things illegal in house. In Bretonia, police ships are generally incapable of stopping much anyway...
Killing off factions due to the actions of others outside of their player base?
Ummm....Yeah.
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - Donutman - 05-15-2010
' Wrote:They are called SHFs.
SHF's? Their a slow armor boat with a bunch of turrets. As someone that's been in the LPI since .84 was new, this. Would. Not. Work. At. All.
Also, I hate real-life comparisons.
"In real life, the cops don't drive tanks!"
Well guess what! In RL the bad guys don't drive tanks either! Guess what else! FL isn't real life!
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - Lancelot9 - 05-15-2010
' Wrote:
Killing off factions due to the actions of others outside of their player base?
Ummm....Yeah.
I cannot see the purpose served beyond RP, but perhaps I should clarify that it isn't necessarily it's removal I am advocating but at least a heightening of their firepower. In this case the militaries would no longer need to assist in domestic matters.
I am basing my views on my experience in Bretonia - not sure if other police forces have gunboats+
Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank? - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 05-15-2010
I was once pulled over by a tank.
But then I'm also a iraq veteran.
Also, since you want to make IRL comparisons, the US Navy conducts smuggler and drug interdiction.
' Wrote:The LPI- has a dreadnought and three gunboats, sorry pal but that ain't changing. We also allow use of Guardians and Eagles. Also not changing. The SWAT is mainly bombers and VHFs. Again, not changing.
While your points make some sense as far as comparing to today go, this is Freelancer we're talking about. The Navy =/= Army/Navy/Coast Guard/Marines, the LPI =/= NYPD/Keystone Cops. The line is very much blurred. And when it comes down to it, we're all enforcing the same law. So why should the Navy turn its nose up to, say, stopping a smuggler it sees when he's the only one around? Seems a bit silly to me.
Aye. Makes me remember multiple times back in .84 and early .85 after caps suddenly couldnt stop smugglers..... had cap8 slave liners and other combat capable smuggler ships ignoring the RPing LPI libbies and just thrusting for the quick dock, and everyone asking me why I wasnt doing anything.
Actualy looking back, since there was an admin right tehre at the time, I'm proably lucky I didnt get sanc'd for replying to the folks 'sorry, server rules prevent me from responding in RP in this case'.
And before anyone tells me to get a bomber, doesnt matter, by the time I switch its too late.
The problem is that the rules allow smugglers to sit in Manhattan orbit, and on public systemwide comms attempt to hire pirate cap ships to deal with the lawfuls, yet they are totaly safe from retaliation from anything but GBs or smalller.
' Wrote:Edit: And while your point about the plasma treatment is most understandable, we also have to ask our self why the navy is sitting at the cross roads in the first place and not the police (rhetorical question of course given the fact that libbies alone ain't sufficient).
Heres pre-retarded-caps-cant-RP rule example.
I'm sitting at Norfolk shipyard, my cruiser is setting inside the open docking framework.
I'm in group, chating/RPing with the other liberty lawfuls I'm grouped with, and generaly awaiting my ship to actualy be needed, and otherwise showing a propper in RP presence of my ship.
Suddenly, I see a train pop out of the lane from texas. Of course, since there IS a in RP reason to be especily careful to scan ships coming from that direction, embargo and tensions for a possible war and all that, I scan the ship.
It has 5k cardiemine and is lining up for the lane to Ft Bush.
So I pop into EK, hit the thruster, turn starboard, and pop the lane, and drive a train CD into his tailpipe while I'm at it.
I then send my preset '#t This is the Liberty Navy. Contraband substances have been detected on your vessel. Please halt for further scan.' message.
Of course, a few seconds later, his engines are glowing up for another cruise attempt, so I main gun 'em then CD em about 5 secs later, I let 'em gain abotu 300m on me before I CD em so his attempts at evase are compleatly useless due to the range increasing (the farther away they are, the less effect evasive actions have).
Of course, the guy never responds, so once I launch my 10th CD I say screw this, let him know he's dead, and proceed to dump his load all over space (then pew pew that too),
That is a in RP propper example of how a cap could take down a smuggler.
The same would equaly apply to sitting at Westpoint.
Or for that matter, a naval blockade sitting at the bearign or Hudson gates and compleatly traping folks, I did that a few times before the rule change too. It was totaly RPd, we had a Dreadnaught sitting beside the gate (totaly in RP, note how the Unity sits beside the Colo gate in Vanilla freelander........ ) my cruiser beside the lane, the caps just sat there w/o moving for the most part, we just talked in RP, and we also had a mix of fighters and GBs (about 6ish people, a few more or less over the course of a few hours)
Now, during the course of that little blockade we killed at least one of almost every pirate faction in the game, but thats not really important insofar as the RP issues since it WAS .84 afterall ..... however we also had numerous people carrying rhinland goods, and rhinland traders.
Now, a lot of them either were RPing propper, or just had the sense to realize they were utterly FRAKED if they didnt listen to us, and they either dumped their loads, or turned back if they were rhinland (non-passanger) cargos, or if they were from a rhinland corp (other than ALG, which was allowed in but only for toxic waste, havent played much as a lawful in liberty latley, so dunno if theyre allowed in anymore).
However, as in the above case, we often had a LOT of people that would ignore us and run, and then blow up (funniest was these two container transports hauling artifacts that tried to attack the dreadnought we had there.... he was about to get off anyway so he sits tehre letting them shoot at him, ignoring them while in RP describing the conditions of the jail they were going to, and how quickly they neded to get in their escape pods. Soon as his shields dropped, he used bats, popped a 1-2 combo of mortars into the first guy who blew up immediatly, the second went 'OH CRAP' over system comms, turned to run, another 1-2 combo ended him too), and usualy call us pirates over system comms or something to that effect.
The irony is that capital ships were not really abused on traders much if at all more back then than they are today, the main reason the rule went into effect was all the power smugglers that got tired of getting blown up in NY as tehy tried to quickdock with NY so they could get back to their uber route that involved stacking guard systems on the route like a lolpirat stacking 5mrdai-1-2-3-4-die on some unsuspecting trader attempting to RP.