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Add a FP in S-17? - Zelot - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:Hopefully it would at least be dockable, but I wouldn't expect anything larger than a border station-size.
Well, like I said, it doesn't have to be a juggernaut. I just thought a Juggy would be a good form for this idea to manifest in. However, the current... deadness of the Sigmas is the exact reason I could see Zoners rebuilding what was already theirs, in memory of those who made it so. During the time I ran a Zoner (which I unfortunately had to strip for credits and sell DX ), I made periodic pilgrimages to the wreckage. I'm surprised more don't do the same, as I've yet to see a single person in S-17. The only times the Sigmas were active was back in the Diamond-Niobium run, in which traders and pirates flocked through and to, respectively, Sigma-13.
That would be nice. The Sigmas need some love.
No one uses the Sigmas except the barely-active Gas Miners Guild and the occasional code hunter in the Yanagi field. Furthermore, the Outcasts and Corsairs (in-RP) aren't really fighting in the Sigmas since the opening of Eta. Zoners don't need to fight over the solemn gravesite of Freeport 7. It was theirs. It still is theirs. No one else has a use for it.
There are going to be some big changes in Kusari RP in the next version, and some very real changes in the geography of where Kusari is that will bring significant activity to the sigmas. A Zoner base in the area, or even another Junker base are not going to happen.
Add a FP in S-17? - DarthCloakedGuy - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:There are going to be some big changes in Kusari RP in the next version, and some very real changes in the geography of where Kusari is that will bring significant activity to the sigmas. A Zoner base in the area, or even another Junker base are not going to happen.Let me guess, Kusari's going to declare war on Rheinland? That's how "activity" was brought to the Taus (well, that and the Barrier Pass).
But really, why are you so against the idea of a Freeport somewhere in the unused spaces between Alpha and Gamma?
Add a FP in S-17? - Zelot - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:Let me guess, Kusari's going to declare war on Rheinland? That's how "activity" was brought to the Taus (well, that and the Barrier Pass).
But really, why are you so against the idea of a Freeport somewhere in the unused spaces between Alpha and Gamma?
No, for the last 2 versions, Kusari's RP has been directed toward the Taus and Bretonia, in 4.86 the Kusari rp is going to be about expansion of Kusari into new systems, and the further development of the Sigmas, as I understand plans are also underway to do some other fun stuff with the GMG in the Sigmas.
Honestly, the reason I am so against it is the whole No Fire Zone thing. Putting another no fire zone between the Outcasts and the Corsairs, and the rest of the opposing groups in the Sigmas makes no sense. It would be another place that Zoners would flock to so they can "enforce" their NFZ laws. It will just cause much consternation and hang wringing when some Zoner Juggy blows up a Corsair or a Outcasts or a Kemptatia or a GMG for something that happened you know, 15k from somewhere else. Putting a NFZ in the middle of a place with lots of opposing factions is a recipe for disaster, especially when it's one of the big cross roads of Sirius, connecting the Outcasts and Corsairs, the Kusari and Rhienland, the Junkers and the Hogosha, the GMG and the FA. Too many problems.
Add to that, The Zoners have no rights to anything in Sigma 17. Kusari considers Sigma 17 to be their territory, cause you know, they own the planet in the system.
So, at the end of the day, not going to happen.
Add a FP in S-17? - Pinko - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:Let me guess, Kusari's going to declare war on Rheinland? That's how "activity" was brought to the Taus (well, that and the Barrier Pass).
But really, why are you so against the idea of a Freeport somewhere in the unused spaces between Alpha and Gamma?
Because we explained you hundreds of times? D:
Add a FP in S-17? - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:There are going to be some big changes in Kusari RP in the next version, and some very real changes in the geography of where Kusari is that will bring significant activity to the sigmas. A Zoner base in the area, or even another Junker base are not going to happen.
So Kusari lawful pirates, in offical factions, wont be able to undock from a battleship and immeditly pirate anymore ?
No ?
I guess Sigmas will go innactive like Ksuari now.
' Wrote:Zoners were meant to be on the outskirts, not in the middle of the actions, this is a big part of reason the idea of what Zoners are need to be reevaluated.
So were are the Zoners in the middle other than Freeport Two, which was there before the war ?
Add a FP in S-17? - DarthCloakedGuy - 09-10-2010
Zelot, Kusari is inactive as it is. The lack of sensible RP is driving people away. The last thing it needs to do is become bigger.
Furthermore, Sigma-17 (and 19) are the two least-used non-guard systems in Sirius without a Freeport already in them. You can't say it's in the middle of everything. Well, you can, but it isn't.
Add a FP in S-17? - ProwlerPC - 09-10-2010
First of all I'd like to object that GMG| is inactive. I am pretty confident the stats would show differently. We just finished a summer, which is a low activity time for all on the server, and let's not forget the activity dampening effects 4.85 has done to the Sigmas. This is changing. We've, nonetheless, managed to remain active through it.
I am in agreement with Zelot on this. The Sigmas is currently far too contentious of a place (in RP) to rebuild another FP. If FP7 were still there then it would be another matter that is similar of a situation as the FP in Bering caught in the middle of the action. But currently FP7 is a wreck and Sigmas is heading into a whirlwind of powergrabbing (none of this is hard to predict to any Sirian in the area). I doubt the Zoners would drop another FP in there before a decisive conclusion is found within the Sigmas. I'll have to even agree about the detrimental effect a sudden new "No Fire Zone" will have if erected in the area. I can imagine many situations in the future where such an NFZ would mean nothing to even your GMG friends as the engagement of enemies will be judged as a higher priority, whether in a NFZ or not. This will also further add strain to GMG and Zoner alliance because you'll find yourselves defending/harboring your allies' enemies (who are in a NFZ) from your allies right at our doorstep all in the RP of keeping Neutrality which in turn is quite possibly capable of being viewed as an act of hostility to your allies (due to not only the situation of a safe harbour but it's extremely close proximity). We already know that most Zoners honour their neutrality more then their alliances but we work around that and keep things as an econimic relation but NFZ shinnanigans in the Sigmas would initiate a terrible strain on that.
Add a FP in S-17? - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:Zelot, Kusari is inactive as it is. The lack of sensible RP is driving people away. The last thing it needs to do is become bigger.
Furthermore, Sigma-17 (and 19) are the two least-used non-guard systems in Sirius without a Freeport already in them. You can't say it's in the middle of everything. Well, you can, but it isn't.
However there is no need for one to be there.
Add a FP in S-17? - sovereign - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:But really, why are you so against the idea of a Freeport somewhere in the unused spaces between Alpha and Gamma?
Pardon me, but at what point did Omicron Theta stop being between Omicron Alpha and Omicron Gamma? Isn't it pretty much the only path between those systems anyone ever uses, actually?
The Sigmas are actually pretty tightly knit, they're much smaller systems than the high Taus, and are littered with jumpholes. It's no more than a 100k flight from the Ogashawa to Freeport 9, probably less. I really think that a Freeport every 50k is a bit much.
Add a FP in S-17? - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 09-10-2010
' Wrote:Pardon me, but at what point did Omicron Theta stop being between Omicron Alpha and Omicron Gamma? Isn't it pretty much the only path between those systems anyone ever uses, actually?
The Sigmas are actually pretty tightly knit, they're much smaller systems than the high Taus, and are littered with jumpholes. It's no more than a 100k flight from the Ogashawa to Freeport 9, probably less. I really think that a Freeport every 50k is a bit much.
Yup.
If a new dockable FP belongs anywere, it'd be possibly in the new systems coming out with .86
And even then, we dont know unless were a dev and knows whats were and how big the systems are, etc etc.