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SOPA - stardust47 - 12-18-2011
While I don't pirate, I thinkthat from my (rather limited) knowledge of US law this violates some part of the Constitution. I've signed multiple petitions against it not because I pirate movies/games but because there are a lot of non-copyright-infringing websites that could be taken down because of this. I don't know if it affects the entire Internet or just sites hosted in the US, but this is still a bad idea.
SOPA - Zelot - 12-18-2011
' Wrote:No, by law, copyright infringement is not theft.
That's lawyer talk. When you buy something you pay for it. If you get it without paying for it, you are taking money out of the pocket of someone who should legally be getting that money. If that isnt theft I dont know what is.
SOPA - Sanae - 12-18-2011
' Wrote:That's lawyer talk. When you buy something you pay for it. If you get it without paying for it, you are taking money out of the pocket of someone who should legally be getting that money. If that isnt theft I dont know what is.
I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell ya
SOPA - ProwlerPC - 12-18-2011
You do know that it means your toast for using that avvy, Zelot. Theft.
SOPA - Treewyrm - 12-18-2011
Michael, I merely provide my experience, I do not advocate others to do the same, how they deal with the matter and what reasons they'll have is up to them. Just my experience.
In law copyright infringement is copyright infringement and theft is theft, they aren't the same and aren't interchangeable terms. It is infringement on exclusive rights, unauthorized duplication. Neither they are in common sense because a type of operation involved in two are very different, one is moving and the other one is copying. Because the first would imply that I have to either physically steal a media disc or (in digital terms) to delete source files after copying them. But hey, you're smart enough to know that already anyway.
Regarding the actual subject, that's a damn bad thing. Copyright industry already have pushed a lot of laws, and that's enough really. There is DMCA for one thing. And now they want to get around courts and remove all due process. Anyone truly thinking that's a good idea got to be out of his/her mind. I ain't lawyer, but I actually took time to read that thing, out of curiosity to find out what's the fuss is all about, and frankly that's outright scary considering implications and how broadly it is written to include all kind of possibilities to damage just about anything on internet that ends up with .com, .net, .org and a few others, and then even if you have a domain in a non-US country zone you'd still end up being blocked. What also horrifying is that the bill is written by people who have little to no understanding of how internet works, how DNS works in particular. Those of you who have seen the hearings a few days ago must have seen how horribly incompetent people discussing it were, they even admit they've got not a clue, including lobbysts. But who knows, your little gnome© in avatar might be assisting in copyright infringement. Speaking of the gnome, ain't it a property of Disney corporation? Say bye-bye to fair use.
SOPA - Death.RunningVerminator - 12-18-2011
' Wrote:Facebook protesters 8-)Excuse me but if you're going to call my country a non-country at least have the decency to spell the name correctly.
Only idiots base sites in usa (or europe, or russia, for that matter). Equador and other non-countries are the way to go. As for this little logical step called SOPA, sure, let them dig themselves deeper. Won't affect me in my cozy place 8-))
SOPA - Jamez - 12-18-2011
Lets get back on topic folks, shall we..
Censorship is bad. Sign a petition, save the interbutts.
SOPA - NixOlympica - 12-18-2011
Zelot unless you draw all that signatures and all materials used for them or got them from license free website in your words you have committed a crime. But that's not what's matter of this discussion actually. We are not talking if piracy is right or not. The potential threat in this whole thing called SOPA is that it will lead to monopolization and censorship from the side of major game/music and movie industry.
Dunno, if you have listened the whole video but fine examples are mentioned there.
I think the Kanye West and others supporting the megaupload and being muted is good enough example of what I call censorship.
SOPA - Govedo13 - 12-18-2011
' Wrote:It will basically affect the whole internet, if you can think that far. There's no American internet, or a European Internet. There's just -the- Internet.Kinda wrong. Internet is disturbed on many servers around the globe, indeed big part of them is in the USA even under currnet regulations 95% of the illegal content is not on the servers based in USA- because even the currnet regulations does not allow it.
I use several proxies, you will be amused what are the differences between common sites like youtube:
with German IP you see half of the content
with USA IP you see less then 20%
with Bulgarian IP you see all
So in general nothing will be changed for the Internet as a whole around the globe and in the normal countries.
Only the USA citizens will be like the chinese and some arabic country citizens- censored. Actually this is good from one kinda weird point- the people who used to "pirate" in USA and got caught were in really bad position- they paid really a lot to the content producers. Since 90% of the market of those content producers is in the USA they just protect their turf nothing new or strange actually.
SOPA - Death.RunningVerminator - 12-18-2011
' Wrote:Since 90% of the market of those content producers is in the USA they just protect their turf nothing new or strange actually.So, you're in favor of SOPA/Protect IP because it protects companies turf?