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Zone 21/Alaska - stone - 06-18-2008
' Wrote:Your character would take orders, if he's an LSF agent, from Brian and David's characters, because they are the Director and Deputy Director of the Liberty Security Force. And currently, said individuals have set policy for the Liberty Security Force and it's agents.
If they don't lead the Liberty Security Force, what do they lead? Is this some kind of Doctor Who-style parallel earth situation, with two LSFs?
They lead a player faction within Liberty Security Force they lead people who volunteer to be part of there group. They are not dictators
Zone 21/Alaska - Asymptotic - 06-18-2008
LSF ID is not restricted in server rules to players in the LSF player faction, nor do players who possess one have to follow orders of the LSF player faction.
The guy in charge of the player faction has no jurisdiction on anyone outside the player faction as to what they may or may not do, even in RP. There aren't two parallel LSFs, there is one LSF *entity* - you can't just monopolize it with a player faction. Probably a good RP explanation for this power-hungry deed of trying to tell me what to do is that it's an overzealous Black Ops branch *of* the LSF.
It's not the entire LSF. It doesn't order me around, and that's a server rule. Excuse my brazenness, but you're in the wrong.
Zone 21/Alaska - Praetyre - 06-18-2008
That's a strawman, which I even spoke of earlier. The Corsairs are a civilization, not a military group. They are also ravaged by famine and resort to cannibalism, and we never hear of any centralized Corsair leader. Thus, it's natural they'd splinter and have political divisions and rival leaders and such Romanesque things.
The Liberty Security Force, on the other hand, is an intelligence organisation, known as among the most professional in Sirius. It didn't fracture, unlike the Navy and Army, and it has canonically been stated to be lead by a Director, who is now Copeland.
@Asymptotic; Again, a strawman attack. The administrators approve the continued existence of a faction called the Liberty Security Force, led by a Director. And in any case, I never called for administrator enforcement or support on this matter.
Your statement of it being a branch openly contradicts the faction status post of the LSF;
' Wrote:
About LSF
The Liberty Security Force (LSF) is the intelligence branch of the Liberty Armed Forces, gathering information all over Sirius, operating to ensure the free flow of goods and services in Liberty and maintaining national security. The LSF is unmatched in its core capabilities, functioning as one team, fully integrated into the Liberty Community.
![[Image: lsf1copiebs0copycq4.png]](http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5756/lsf1copiebs0copycq4.png)
It *is* the entire LSF. The name, the description, it's leadership all implies that, and the admins have not stopped such a thing from occuring. The LSF has even gone through several rough patches with the administrators, and they do not disapprove of it's name, description, leadership and actions.
Zone 21/Alaska - Tenacity - 06-18-2008
Quote:They lead a player faction within Liberty Security Force they lead people who volunteer to be part of there group. They are not dictators
Oh, but they are. Didnt you know all of liberty's government and military is full of fascist tyrant dictators?
Which reminds me, one of these days i'm going to have to make a liberty navy character named "Saddam"
Zone 21/Alaska - Asymptotic - 06-18-2008
Quote:The Liberty Security Force, on the other hand, is an intelligence organisation, known as among the most professional in Sirius. It didn't fracture, unlike the Navy and Army, and it has canonically been stated to be lead by a Director, who is now Copeland.Valid RP doesn't give you an excuse to powergame and violate server rules.
Zone 21/Alaska - stone - 06-18-2008
' Wrote:That's a strawman, which I even spoke of earlier. The Corsairs are a civilization, not a military group. They are also ravaged by famine and resort to cannibalism, and we never hear of any centralized Corsair leader. Thus, it's natural they'd splinter and have political divisions and rival leaders and such Romanesque things.
The Liberty Security Force, on the other hand, is an intelligence organisation, known as among the most professional in Sirius. It didn't fracture, unlike the Navy and Army, and it has canonically been stated to be lead by a Director, who is now Copeland.
@Asymptotic; Again, a strawman attack. The administrators approve the continued existence of a faction called the Liberty Security Force, led by a Director.
Your statement of it being a branch openly contradicts the faction status post of the LSF;
It *is* the entire LSF. The name, the description, it's leadership all implies that, and the admins have not stopped such a thing from occuring.
If thats the case we should see that in the server RP rules am i right? Well i don't see it and untill the admins decide thats the case no one person controlls any NPC faction. Look im not saying thats the right way to go it may not be you may be right but it is not the case as of right now so he has every right to RP a indi Liberty Sercurity Force black ops agent or whatever his story is i cant remember it I read so many... and not take orders from the =LSF= "director"
Zone 21/Alaska - Praetyre - 06-18-2008
' Wrote:Oh, but they are. Didnt you know all of liberty's government and military is full of fascist tyrant dictators?
Which reminds me, one of these days i'm going to have to make a liberty navy character named "Saddam"
This is childish. How is Liberty akin to fascism or Fascism? How is it tyrannical?
Asymptotic; Cause and effect. The LSF must maintain a monopoly on itself in order to consistently exist. If you wish to ban unilateral faction names or roleplay, feel free to petition the admins to do so. But thus far, they don't seem to object.
Stone, I never appealed to the server rules. You are the one that is suggesting so. I stated the fact that the administrators have taken no action and raised no objection to LSF policy, naming, RP, leadership, description etc, not that the server rules explicitly supported such a thing.
Zone 21/Alaska - Tenacity - 06-18-2008
Quote:This is childish.
That was a joke.
Everyone in the game refers to the =LSF= and [SA] in general as tyrannical groups within liberty, hell even some of those faction members RP their characters to follow that personality.
Zone 21/Alaska - Walker - 06-18-2008
Stone...
This is an RP server; It may be a player faction but it IS the LSF... They are technically the real leaders...
Oh and Liberty is Fascist.
Fathers against snuggling cardamine intolerance sweatshops and troublemaking.
Zone 21/Alaska - Asymptotic - 06-18-2008
It isn't against the server rules to roleplay an LSF officer who is independent playerfaction-wise and takes no orders from your director.
It's not my responsibility to petition the admins. If you open fire on me, whose side do you think the admins will take? I'll do my RP and follow the server rules. Hopefully you can too.
I'm not suggesting a ban on "unilateral faction names," but this faction post, while it is approved by the admins, takes second place behind server rules. Until players who possess a LSF ID are obligated by rules to obey the Director, I'm not obeying the Director.
Don't like it? Shoot me as I try to enter Alaska next time.