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Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:To put it in short:
You could have told the people doing the raids from your freeports that it brings you in a troublesome situation, and that the raiders should refrain from doing that. End of story. Insted you chose to flex your muscles in a way that severely threaten Zoner credibility Sirius-wide.
EDIT: Also you didn't have any proper organizational structures in place to really go down the diplomacy-route, which I think is the root of the problem.
*shrug* I dont run any of those freeports.
Corsair - Zoner - Mímir - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:*shrug* I dont run any of those freeports.
Yes... About accountability...
Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-09-2012
Sure, so if I have an indie corsair, and I think TBH is doing a terrible job, I'll just feel free to jump in on things, because I obviously know best.
Hell, Mao is the one who runs FP9 and Corfu, why dont you post as his characters, since your advocating stepping on other peoples rp.
Accountability is one thing - but if I dont run the stations - I have no say in how they are run. We look at the aftermath, and decide how we want to involve ourselves, if at all
Corsair - Zoner - DarthBindo - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:True enough in the corsairs case. Looks like Zoners just decided that instead of being told "your system now belongs to us, you have a few days to get lost" they said "no"Since when has theta been a zoner system?
Are there now zoners systems all over then?
is delta a zoner system, it's got a freeport innit.
OOO o-3's gotta be a zoner system, right?
Wrong.
O-49 is a zoner system.
Baffin is a zoner system.
O-74 is a zoner system.
Theta?
riiiiiight, and the LN owns manchester.
' Wrote:*shrug* I dont run any of those freeports.So you're defending their incompetence then?
There was a quick and easy fix to it, and they chose to muddle it all up and rile everything up with FREEDOM U CANT TELL US WHAT TO DO and went right ahead, not only letting raiders who were violating what was already zoner freeport law at the time go on raiding, but then GOING TO THEM AND ASKING FOR HELP.
Sure, maybe the zoners need to sometimes back up their diplomacy with fighting, but that's not what happened here, hell, i've never see that happen.
Everytime something goes wrong, every zoner goes straight to "YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO" and then pulls out all the stops, calling in every wanna-be sirius wide cop faction to come help shoot the big bad bullies who dont wanna get shot by zoner ammunition.
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:Since when has theta been a zoner system?
Are there now zoners systems all over then?
is delta a zoner system, it's got a freeport innit.
OOO o-3's gotta be a zoner system, right?
Wrong.
O-49 is a zoner system.
Baffin is a zoner system.
O-74 is a zoner system.
Theta?
riiiiiight, and the LN owns manchester.
So you're defending their incompetence then?
There was a quick and easy fix to it, and they chose to muddle it all up and rile everything up with FREEDOM U CANT TELL US WHAT TO DO and went right ahead, not only letting raiders who were violating what was already zoner freeport law at the time go on raiding, but then GOING TO THEM AND ASKING FOR HELP.
Sure, maybe the zoners need to sometimes back up their diplomacy with fighting, but that's not what happened here, hell, i've never see that happen.
Everytime something goes wrong, every zoner goes straight to "YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO" and then pulls out all the stops, calling in every wanna-be sirius wide cop faction to come help shoot the big bad bullies who dont wanna get shot by zoner ammunition.
I think what we all need to do, Is go get every RP post we can find, and put them in one place in order.
Because I think were arguing a mute point, At least from FP5's actions, Over and Over I see posts at and from that guy about this, for a long time.
FP9 Theres one guy saying hes admin, talking all nice, diplo and stuff, although it may be interpreted as "Its your problem" then another claiming hes admin and shouting war, that confuses me a little.
"There was a quick and easy fix to it, and they chose to muddle it all up and rile everything up with FREEDOM U CANT TELL US WHAT TO DO"
That was an isolated group, and Im pretty sure it wasn't admin. And as much as I hate to admit it, I can't flaw the FP5 admin, Maybe we should have been reading official comms, and not all us raging guys messing it up. OR, Im still an idiot, and still reading them out of order.
Corsair - Zoner - Mímir - 02-09-2012
I don't step on anyones RP, I am just saying that the Zoners are left with some huge unadressed internal problems and a lack of credibility and accountability towards everyone else. It should be rectified in however way possible in- and out of RP.
With the Corsairs you have a place to turn to at least, if someone is acting silly. Also if you don't care about the Freeport, why not just keep your ship and yourself out of it?
You *shrug* at the Freeport but gladly jump right in the middle of the battle when the chance to pewpew arises?
Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:Since when has theta been a zoner system?
Are there now zoners systems all over then?
is delta a zoner system, it's got a freeport innit.
OOO o-3's gotta be a zoner system, right?
Wrong.
O-49 is a zoner system.
Baffin is a zoner system.
O-74 is a zoner system.
Theta?
riiiiiight, and the LN owns manchester.
Theta has Two Bases, two Uninhabited Planets - both bases are Zoner bases.
Delta contains a Corsair Base and a BHG Base (As well as an Admin base) - So the ownership of the system would be jointly contested by those factions with those bases - neither could say the system belongs solely to one or the other.
Same with O3 - Bretonia, IMG, and even Rheinland presence makes it somewhat of a contest - but Bretonia says it belongs to them, and while I think thats retarded, whatever. I voiced my opinion about houses owning border systems back in the summer.
Corsairs don't own Theta - they have no base there. Only a JH leading to there system.
Corsair - Zoner - sadtranslation - 02-09-2012
I think we will all agree to exchange Freeport 9 and Corfu on removal of stationary Corsair "Osiris" battleships in Omega-47 and Omicron-91.
Corsair - Zoner - Curios - 02-09-2012
What can i say. Time to quit joking on this entire thread and get the facts straight.
All what is happening around makes me giggle and gives me a healthy laugh sometime.
The "NO U" competition is went a little bit far, but non of the side have provided anything valuable to defend it's point yet. I think it is time to get the facts on the light.
You guys really need to lower your egos and learn to read rumors and lore. This is tad simple. And by doing this you could find:
this
and this
and this
and also this
And many other interesting things. Discovery RP set is static and dictated by the Rumors, News, Infocards and so on. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE LORE. It's like you can't change the fact that you can't fly on your own because you don't have wings and there is a gravitation on our planet.
Facts are:
Raids from Freeports are lore. They are in place. Freeport is a FREE PORT mean everyone can dock. It is how it treated. You can't order Zoners around about who may dock or who can't because by lore it was already agreed by all sides that everyone can dock there, no exception. Except if you'll go a long way in murdering zoners around. Zoners do not interfere into ANY conflicts and they just trade **** that ALL sides around are in need of. Like Sairs are getting ship hull pannels from Freeport 5 zoners. If you block FP mean YOU ARE GETTING SHORT IS SOME RESOURCES.
About the battleships. I think the vanilla lore misses this fact because there are no flyable battleships in vanilla freelancer. Corsairs have no battleships back there as well. So i may guess it's okay that sides are now using Battleships. Didn't changing anything.
Those rumors are BHG once since there were no Mercs in Vanilla, so we may put them together.
Also you are missing the simple fact. YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT HELLO. You're just 1 man between over 9000+ other ships in the galaxy. And if you got blown that mean nothing particular nation vise. Why would all corsairs jump on a krieg against zoners if some Popo the sair got blown by Joe the merc? It happens everywhere around and for past years no one had any problems with this.
NO ONE.
It's the first time when Corsairs are suddenly begin to worry about the irrelevant stuff like this instead of just fighting and having fun. I may only guess is that the Mercs by years placed a lot of fear into the Corsairs so they began to act like this. I don't know.
Anyway, leave the Freeports alone.
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:Theta has Two Bases, two Uninhabited Planets - both bases are Zoner bases.
Delta contains a Corsair Base and a BHG Base (As well as an Admin base) - So the ownership of the system would be jointly contested by those factions with those bases - neither could say the system belongs solely to one or the other.
Same with O3 - Bretonia, IMG, and even Rheinland presence makes it somewhat of a contest - but Bretonia says it belongs to them, and while I think thats retarded, whatever. I voiced my opinion about houses owning border systems back in the summer.
Corsairs don't own Theta - they have no base there. Only a JH leading to there system.
And were back to logic, But what about my idea, Lets all build a list of the actual "RP" about these situations. We are good at arguing unfounded semantics. Or not providing the relevant reference anyway.
They say we pushed first we say they pushed first, and every time I find a thread to prove us right, I find one before that to prove us wrong, then I find one before that to prove us right .... and so on and so on.
May 14 2011
New NFZ Clarification
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...hl=freeport+NFZ
I think that addresses the people who said to Corsairs, Shoot em up.
Jan 27 2012
The "Begining"
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=117981
Jan 27 2012
Corsair Hostilities Begin
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=117989
Jan 27 2012
FP5 Admin (The guy in question) Going about buisness
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118006
Jan 27 2012
FP5 Admin NFZ
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=116798
Jan 28 2012
(]o[) Suggest no hostilities to commander
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118003
29 Jan 2012
FP9 announces policy change, In favour of Corsair requests
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118130
Jan 29 2012
Some confused guy cant understand FP9's new "Dont dock if under attack" rules, thinks he cant dock unless attacked. FP9 tell him to use a translator
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118152
Jan 31'st 2012
BHG in O-74 zoners seek further intel.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118336
Feb 01 2012
Corsairs invade O-74
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118450
Today
New NFZ for FP 5 9 and confu clarification
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=119094
Today
Guy above me posts evidence that BH are able to raid from FP5 in lore.
' Wrote:this
and this
and this
and also this
Might need some Corsair links, So far its all pro zoner.
Missing an important part in this timeline? Please PM me the link!