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RE: Katana or European Longsword - Benjamin - 07-17-2013

yeah i guess it's a confusing thing when you're blending culture and history etc, but what I mean is, the samurai 'as we know them today' that came up in the Edo period, that is after they did all the fighting. Same as europe, swords were the ceremonial weapon, and since they didn't fight anymore, it was the only weapon. When they were just sat around as a weird middle class without any real purpose, that's when they dreamed up all the mystical beautiful sword business.
Whereas like, 1200-1600, when they were actually doing all the fighting, they were a pretty different thing. When the tokugawa shogunate comes in, the wars stop, weapons become illegal, samurai become hereditary and all that starts. but yeah, those guys never really did anything, no big bushido blade armies going to war.

RE: Katana or European Longsword - Caelumaresh - 07-17-2013

Two handed battleaxes all the way

RE: Katana or European Longsword - Thyrzul - 07-17-2013

(07-17-2013, 04:18 PM)mc_Floyd Wrote: Ok thats new for me, are they refering to the German "langes Schwert"?

Because i think you mean this one (late medieval, early renaissance long sword, two handed sword):
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and im talking about this one (1200-1350, German "langes Schwer", or Anderthalbhänder ="one and a half hand used"/ Bastardsword):
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Different swords from different times, probably not used in similar ways, dunno

I was talking about the "fighting school" (not sure if translation is proper), not the weapon. Main profile is still longsword/bastard sword. (Although there may be researches about Montante and two-handed combat as well at us in the future, but that's a different story.)

(07-17-2013, 04:18 PM)mc_Floyd Wrote: And this is the point where it becomes strange for me. Im not visiting a sword school or anything, but tried out some basics with other reenactors. They studied what they found about it (in matters of earlier medieval times, Liechtenauer is very late) and we tried that stuff out. It was horrible to execute, from my martial arts experience partial totally useless, as if there was missing something. Although i liked the part to use your metal gloves with the sword (eg stabilizing your blade with your hand to block and counter the attack)

One of the main very good things I find about our fencing school is that they teach with telling how useful each stuff is, which counters which, teaches not just the move and proper execution but usage as well. Due to this I have barely any feeling against stuff that I find moves and tricks useless as I've been taught how and when to use those tactics.

(07-17-2013, 04:18 PM)mc_Floyd Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc
Those two are great

That video is indeed good, although there are tons of other moves in there than just the Zornhau. (e.g. other master cuts)
I also recommend watching some videos about tournaments like Swordfish or Dreynevent.

(07-17-2013, 04:18 PM)mc_Floyd Wrote: So yes researching in that direction is more than a cool hobby, but bringing back some of our lost living european culture.

Don't forget that many minds working on bringing back that culture, too many from too many fields of natural and social sciences so just simply call it a cool hobby. If there are enough documents to work with, there will be enough people to work with them.

(07-17-2013, 04:18 PM)mc_Floyd Wrote: Thats why in films still the Samurai and his Katana are the known heroes and martial arts masters more often than a european knight with his longsword.

Films are films, they are to bring awe and exotic stuff tend to do that. East is exotic for the men of west, that may be a reason for the cool-looking Samurai films, but then you still see knights and warriors wielding longswords and other close variants (two-handed, one-handed) as well. So no, I don't really think Samurai are more represented in films in general.


RE: Katana or European Longsword - Caelumaresh - 07-17-2013

Fights were more personnal back then.
Now we can kill our competitor from 3 kilometer range....

Good old days...

RE: Katana or European Longsword - Agmen of Eladesor - 07-18-2013

Neither.

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I own a traditional Bat'leth and a D'k tahg. And yes, I do keep them sharpened and ready for use.

(Okay, I also own a bastard sword, too - and yes, it's ALSO sharpened and ready for use. It's nice that I live in a state that not only can I open carry my firearms, I can also Ronco someone if I run out of ammo.)

RE: Katana or European Longsword - Madvillain - 07-18-2013

I own a bastard dog.
Can't find much use of him though.
But my country does allow me to walk with him on the street even while carrying him.

RE: Katana or European Longsword - Bootsiuv - 07-18-2013

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RE: Katana or European Longsword - Pinko - 07-19-2013

DnD 3.X edition taught that me the Guisarme is the best martial weapon to have existed.

(Though Spiked Chains are pretty OP.)

RE: Katana or European Longsword - JaaY - 07-22-2013

Katana all the way.
Nodachi for the win.

RE: Katana or European Longsword - r3vange - 07-24-2013

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