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RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Arioch - 08-22-2013
In regards the Jinkusu/Nephilim go, it's not a matter of an excuse. In Lore it's already been established that those ships are quite rare. Just like a Nomad Marduk is. You're not supposed to see them all over the place. It's not meant as an excuse, but has been established for many years now.
So it's a matter of suggesting that they either be tied to an official faction ID or SRP'd. Because having any one and their mother who has the credits to buy one and fly it around because they have a shiny new ship shouldn't happen, based on RP/Lore. Again, that's not an excuse, it's just what the ship is. If the lore in vanilla/disco is that a Liberty Carrier is extremely rare, then I'd say only allow LN to have it, or SRP it.
So again, why would it be a bad thing for people to earn getting a ship that is supposed to be rare/not seen often, and should be used for something other than a PVP-centered attitude? When you take something that can be RP'd as multiple different things, but you get it only because of the stats for pewing, then get something else that via lore is meant to be a strictly offensive ship? Otherwise, earn the ability to fly it/use it. Makes you respect and value it more in my opinion.
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RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - tothebonezone - 08-22-2013
(08-22-2013, 07:01 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: No, wrong. Capital ships are man-made exclusively for disco to make sense of things ( among other things ) - in other words, its all put there to make disco what it is, and this is even more true in regards.of zone lore
You just confirmed to me you are one of the most ignorant people on these forums.
As other people have been saying (and the inforcards for every incarnation of the lollernaut), Zoner battleships should be, at best, rare as hell and, as the majority seems to be saying, SRP.
Let's play a game. I call it 'guess how many Zoner Battleships are in this picture.'
There's four in view, and one off camera.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
What's your guess?
The answer is zero
There is no RP for these battleships, they're just bought because they're big, beefy, and are, statistically, the best battleship.
And they exist because Jinx shits out bad remakes every version.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - DarthBindo - 08-22-2013
(08-22-2013, 06:04 AM)RedEclipse Wrote: As Omicroners were disband, 74 lost guard status.Whether or not there is still an active faction for it means jack crap as to whether or not it is a Guard System.
As every guard system now.
You see, Guard systems aren't considered part of the mod's lore.
Why? Beacuse when they were first introduced and handed out, there was no lore-based restrictions on what could go into a Guard system.
You rolled up the mod files for it, sent em in, and that was that; a far different system than was used for general system development or for non-guard system requests.
Therefore, every faction and their mother thought it would be excellent to put lore and roleplay breaking things into their Guard systems.
This is how we ended up with the Hellfire Legion planet, the Farmers alliance planets, the Golden Crsyanthemum planets (also, hey, which JUST HAPPENS to be the ONLY OTHER PLANET IN ALL OF SIRIUS that can grow cardamine!), the Colonials and their guard system..... honestly the list goes on and on.
Guard systems do not count as lore, regardless of whether or not the faction that got it put in the mod still exists.
There's an admin ruling on it somewhere, but i'm far too lazy to put in the hours work to track it down.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Zen_Mechanics - 08-22-2013
I have said many times, including your faction that there is a better way of doing it without hurting others by stripping it or making it "rare" again. I am against locking, but I'm in favor of restricting it under rp, now its true you can't be on guard all the time, but just as we used to hunt fake kishiro whales I have no problem hunting down nephils.
Taking the easy get out of jail is really easy but the smoke its going to leave will be plenty.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Huhuh - 08-22-2013
Chuckle if you understand:
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RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Ivan - 08-22-2013
Well, nerf it really bad, or take off guns - that could work.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - tothebonezone - 08-22-2013
(08-22-2013, 07:16 AM)Miloslav Wrote: or take off guns - that could work.
That would actually be hilarious.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Arioch - 08-22-2013
Quote:but I'm in favor of restricting it under rp
Then why can't this be achieved via a Official Faction or SRP'ing? You RP the reason why you should have one via an SRP, or to a faction you are in. That isn't cutting it off from everyone, it just makes the process to get one a little longer, and then either of those options would demand a RP reason to have one.
Plus, if it were to happen, and if the puppet masters of Disco decided to make the Neph only available via those two means, then those like yourself Tel who have one, could make a RP post or submit a reason to keep it, and why you/your char needs it. Won't cost you money, but provides an avenue to provide a logical and RP reason to continue it, instead of "It's big and shiny and has guns. Can't I haz?"
At this point, it's just all suggestion and thoughts, but it would be nice to see at least some restriction. I guess my thought it, I love the look of the Leviathan/Persphone and the Necrosis. Two ships you can only get via SRP. Part of the appeal is that you rarely see them. They are a sight, that when you see them, your mouth both inRP and inRL drops. So maybe not as drastic, but it would be nice to have that feeling when you see a Neph, instead of the stigma that everyone has a Neph somewhere because it's big and powerful.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - tothebonezone - 08-22-2013
(08-22-2013, 07:21 AM)Drrobe Wrote: instead of the stigma that everyone has a Neph somewhere because it's big and powerful.
The voice of reason, ladies and gentlemen.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Zen_Mechanics - 08-22-2013
Bro I can have a solid back story to keep it, and your saying some true things, the only reason why I don't want this to happens is because its zoner, and when I say that I mean : 100 articles a month on how to humiliate this faction by people who said themselves don't give a damn about. Attacking this faction has a social license,so I'm not buying their reasons because they are more motivated to do it because they want to do it. If this had a major impact on the server I would also be against it, but its not, its against individuals. When I hear something more alarming than "caplols" I would consider it, but if that's all they got, all their work is still ahead of them