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RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Pilip - 11-29-2013
[quote='Trogdor' pid='1443409' dateline='1385711590']
Some suggestions:
1) server-magic all sell prices server-wide to be much more profitable during the daytime when the server is full. Don't know if this is possible but I think it could do wonders for encouraging people to trade when pirates and escorts may be found.
2) Come up with some sort of piracy system that generates income for the pirates but does not drain income from the trader. The piracy is now purely in-roleplay. Come to think of it, this may not be a bad idea, because maybe you could set up some kind of flhook that would only let you pirate a person once per (t) time, encouraging pirates to wander around looking for different people to 'rob' (which could be as simple as demanding they stop for 5-10 seconds, you activate your piracy device, it pays you, and the trader goes on their way, not having lost anything oorp)
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this i think it deserves a take-your-time aproach; right now the pirate-trader interaction is bound beyond hope to ''givemi mone''
(which frankly receiving 'mone' is not a fun thing at all...is just some numbers somewhere around the internet, sso silly; what the pirate is gonna do if receiving cash? 2mil or 20mil? go straight and buy that 50th armor or ship already has?..see what i mean)
While for the robbed trader especially a fresh one, it is only a biiig stupid loss of time and effort, be cause he is in that just-started race to get those nice looking ships and stuff he has seen on the net about discovery !
Unlike some may think, the desire for cap ships dont come from the beggining since they costs so heavy..., it's imposibile for the new guy, it requires sacrifice,...
the Need for caps comes when he realises that it has no chance against old skilled players while in a snub and also, in an attempt to counter ''partyes''!! you know like hey you is many friends loling on skype..ok but i have to do something to counter that...
So for the vet, old player is ,, so boring and so unhappy if he doesnt receive RP from the guy in front'' while for the new guy is frustration and insatisfaction so he gets the feeling that, something is wrong but usually that this game is not for him,
be cause while in process of getting whatever that ship, he is killed and robbed so easy all the time and after he manages to get-that-ship he discovers that Nothing changes so..
yea well something like this.
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Pilip - 11-29-2013
(11-29-2013, 08:53 AM)Trogdor Wrote: Some suggestions:
1) server-magic all sell prices server-wide to be much more profitable during the daytime when the server is full. Don't know if this is possible but I think it could do wonders for encouraging people to trade when pirates and escorts may be found.
2) Come up with some sort of piracy system that generates income for the pirates but does not drain income from the trader. The piracy is now purely in-roleplay. Come to think of it, this may not be a bad idea, because maybe you could set up some kind of flhook that would only let you pirate a person once per (t) time, encouraging pirates to wander around looking for different people to 'rob' (which could be as simple as demanding they stop for 5-10 seconds, you activate your piracy device, it pays you, and the trader goes on their way, not having lost anything oorp)
This i think it deserves a take-your-time aproach; right now the pirate-trader interaction is bound beyond hope to ''givemi mone''
(which frankly receiving 'mone' is not a fun thing at all...is just some numbers somewhere around the internet, sso silly; what the pirate is gonna do if receiving cash? 2mil or 20mil? go straight and buy that 50th armor or ship already has?..see what i mean)
While for the robbed trader especially a fresh one, it is only a biiig stupid loss of time and effort, be cause he is in that just-started race to get those nice looking ships and stuff he has seen on the net about discovery !
Unlike some may think, the desire for cap ships dont come from the beggining since they costs so heavy..., it's imposibile for the new guy, it requires sacrifice,...
the Need for caps comes when he realises that it has no chance against old skilled players while in a snub and also, in an attempt to counter ''partyes''!! you know like hey you is many friends loling on skype..ok but i have to do something to counter that...
So for the vet, old player is ,, so boring and so unhappy if he doesnt receive RP from the guy in front'' while for the new guy is frustration and insatisfaction so he gets the feeling that, something is wrong but usually that this game is not for him,
be cause while in process of getting whatever that ship, he is killed and robbed so easy all the time and after he manages to get-that-ship he discovers that Nothing changes so..
yea well something like this.
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Enkidu - 11-29-2013
(11-28-2013, 09:09 AM)sindroms Wrote: Should I also mention that saying that you ''pirate for the sake of RP'' or something along those lines is an utterly snobbish thing to say, since any sort of encounter on our server results or is the result of RP? It is something used by people, who want to seem better in the eyes of other roleplayers. That they ''trade for the RP of it'' or ''smuggle for the RP fun of it, not the profit''. All of these actions either result or are the result of roleplay. There is no need to try try and split them or make them seem out of the ordinary, especially on a RP server.
If... if you say so. Personally I've never, ever managed to make a profit out of pirating every time I've tried it. Talking to the traders is always more fun (so yes, I'm a roleplay pirate).
I really don't see how a bluemessage constitutes fun. You've just killed the person you were previously Rp'ing with, and thus slain the interaction.
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Omicron - 11-29-2013
I am not surprised given piracy in all forms and purpose is just socially being a parasite (with good intentions or not) to a trader who considers this particular money-grinding cow role as a idiotic chore one has to pass through while relatively not bored to death in order to aquire all the ships the player wants to actually role-play with.
TL;DR trading is a chore and also boring one at that.
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Enkidu - 11-29-2013
(11-29-2013, 11:58 AM)Omicron Wrote: I am not surprised given piracy in all forms and purpose is just socially being a parasite (with good intentions or not) to a trader who considers this particular money-grinding cow role as a idiotic chore one has to pass through while relatively not bored to death in order to aquire all the ships the player wants to actually role-play with.
TL;DR trading is a chore and also boring one at that.
I'd disagree with that as well.
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Tankman - 11-29-2013
(11-29-2013, 11:58 AM)Omicron Wrote: TL;DR trading is a chore and also boring one at that.
I actually find it entertaining.
But I'm weird so...
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Haste - 11-29-2013
(11-29-2013, 11:58 AM)Omicron Wrote: TL;DR trading is a chore and also boring one at that.
That's because piracy doesn't happen enough. Or encounters in general.
Trading would be much more fun if, prior to heading out of Liberty, an LPI- came up and did a little bit of "let me scan you please" roleplay, after which they ask you where you're headed, blahblah. You continue, run into an LH~ who lectures you on what a corporatocratic swine you are, and so on and so forth.
Non?
Also, consider flying with other faction members and roleplaying the whole trip. It can be pretty fun.
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Eduard - 11-29-2013
(11-29-2013, 01:53 PM)Haste Wrote:(11-29-2013, 11:58 AM)Omicron Wrote: TL;DR trading is a chore and also boring one at that.
That's because piracy doesn't happen enough. Or encounters in general.
Trading would be much more fun if, prior to heading out of Liberty, an LPI- came up and did a little bit of "let me scan you please" roleplay, after which they ask you where you're headed, blahblah. You continue, run into an LH~ who lectures you on what a corporatocratic swine you are, and so on and so forth.
Non?
Also, consider flying with other faction members and roleplaying the whole trip. It can be pretty fun.
I concur with Haste's statement.
Trading is fun when you're accompanied by mates and faction members and stop for any worthy source of RP.
I remember getting stopped by RM on our way to Rheinland, and questioned and all that surveys... it was nice, very immersive. Especially when they questioned why I have gaian wildlife as personal pets :>
I think a thing which makes trading fun is to take in consideration the notion that RP may come up, and when it does, you should stop for it, not continue on your power trading rampage.
Doing trading in hopes of having RP is also fun
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Aazalot - 11-29-2013
this is the direction ive been trying to take OSI into, when i joined it was nothing more then a power trade faction so now its more trying to get people to do things for the Rp reasons not the money. However i do agree that going through entire systems without a single pirate or law enforcement to stop you is alittle boring and dissapointing for some. I trade for the intteractions that can happen. So i think the law enforcement side of thingsa could step up their game alittle but on the flip side, one of the things i used to do as a freelance trader was send out a message saying i was coming through, or requesting passage. Instead of going through silently, like a Bat!
RE: Something disturbing I have noticed during my pirate-trader interactions - Trogdor - 11-30-2013
(11-29-2013, 11:58 AM)Omicron Wrote: I am not surprised given piracy in all forms and purpose is just socially being a parasite (with good intentions or not) to a trader who considers this particular money-grinding cow role as a idiotic chore one has to pass through while relatively not bored to death in order to aquire all the ships the player wants to actually role-play with.
TL;DR trading is a chore and also boring one at that.
Holy bleep, I agree with something Omicron said.
I don't know what can be done instead, though, that wouldn't completely screw up everything.