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RE: Fair warning - Durandal - 09-01-2016
(09-01-2016, 10:29 PM)Ace Razgriz Wrote:(09-01-2016, 10:29 PM)Durandal Wrote: Why aren't we, again? I've yet to get a clear answer on that one.
Admins have tagged ships. So why dont devs?
(09-01-2016, 10:25 PM)King Boo Wrote: The bottom line. We do not have the infustructure for it. Do not expect it on the main server. Take or leave the offer of another one being set up and being made public for you folks.
RE: Fair warning - Magnifique - 09-01-2016
(09-01-2016, 10:21 PM)Durandal Wrote: Its a matter of principle and ideals. A developer - you know, people who actually MAKE THE GAME making it in their best interest to see it prosper - shouldn't be assumed to be cheating under any circumstances, and yes, they ought to be allowed to edit an ini or CMP now and then without informing the admin team because it is their job to work on those things.
And how does the developer who got caught using aimbot fit into your world full of principles and ideals?
You ask for "shouldnt be assumed to be cheating under any circumstances", when this is an absolutely ridiculous demand, and you're not able to see that. This is exactly the problem.
RE: Fair warning - Arioch - 09-01-2016
(09-01-2016, 10:29 PM)Durandal Wrote: Including admins. But we're not burning them at the stake because they're capable of doing so without modifying any files. Because they're trusted. Why aren't we, again? I've yet to get a clear answer on that one.
Jesus christ. No one is burning you at the stake. Could Hannibal have address it with a little nicer words that didn't convey distrust? Sure. Was there burning at the stake? No. He asked what it was, and asked for it to be reverted. HARDLY burning at the stake. And albeit a delay, he was unbanned PER NORMAL ADMIN PROCEDURE THAT IS WELL KNOWN/DOCUMENTED.
You're the one burning us at the stake cause we followed procedure.
RE: Fair warning - Durandal - 09-01-2016
(09-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Magnifique Wrote:(09-01-2016, 10:21 PM)Durandal Wrote: Its a matter of principle and ideals. A developer - you know, people who actually MAKE THE GAME making it in their best interest to see it prosper - shouldn't be assumed to be cheating under any circumstances, and yes, they ought to be allowed to edit an ini or CMP now and then without informing the admin team because it is their job to work on those things.
And how does the developer who got caught using aimbot fit into your world full of principles and ideals?
Massdriver or Alley? I'm not fond of either, and neither are devs anymore.
(09-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Arioch Wrote:(09-01-2016, 10:29 PM)Durandal Wrote: Including admins. But we're not burning them at the stake because they're capable of doing so without modifying any files. Because they're trusted. Why aren't we, again? I've yet to get a clear answer on that one.
Jesus christ. No one is burning you at the stake. Could Hannibal have address it with a little nicer words that didn't convey distrust? Sure. Was there burning at the stake? No. He asked what it was, and asked for it to be reverted. HARDLY burning at the stake. And albeit a delay, he was unbanned PER NORMAL ADMIN PROCEDURE THAT IS WELL KNOWN/DOCUMENTED.
You're the one burning us at the stake cause we followed procedure.
I'm going to get in touch with as many ex-admins as I can and find out what procedure would've been back in there day. I can already tell you one thinks you're all insane.
RE: Fair warning - James Greed - 09-01-2016
(08-03-2016, 10:18 AM)James Greed Wrote: "... and when the amount of drama reaches the critical minimum, the system shall generate more, for it is written in the prophecies....."
J. Greed 42:66
RE: Fair warning - Cardinal - 09-01-2016
(09-01-2016, 10:21 PM)Durandal Wrote: Can the "its no big deal, sweep it under the rug" crowd please pack their bags and take a hike? We had enough of that during the strike, it isn't going to help here. If you don't have principles and think every wrongdoing can be waved then that's your opinion, but since that's arguably the same as not having an opinion you should really just not post at all.
Its a matter of principle and ideals. A developer - you know, people who actually MAKE THE GAME making it in their best interest to see it prosper - shouldn't be assumed to be cheating under any circumstances, and yes, they ought to be allowed to edit an ini or CMP now and then without informing the admin team because it is their job to work on those things.
Reposting this because I entered too early.
Anyone can cheat, Durandal. Doesn't mean they will, I agree, but Devs have the higher power to as well as Admins. Also, funny how you're saying the people who are tired of the needless drama bigger than YouTube's drama shouldn't have an opinion, when you yourself are voicing your own opinion which you believe stands for the whole community, there are still the same social golden rules, to not be an arse in public. I think I've seen you say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Why not now? Yes it is their job, yes, they can edit the ini or CMP, but do it on a place where the anticheat won't be triggered, which they should have known would have been triggered in the first place.
On a side note, your Dev Strike halted the progress of game development, setting back the advancement of the game. Nice game making.
RE: Fair warning - Altejago - 09-01-2016
Hang on, didn't you have a go at the admins a little over a month ago for not following procedure and now arguing because they followed a procedure?
RE: Fair warning - Magnifique - 09-01-2016
(09-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Durandal Wrote:(09-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Magnifique Wrote:(09-01-2016, 10:21 PM)Durandal Wrote: Its a matter of principle and ideals. A developer - you know, people who actually MAKE THE GAME making it in their best interest to see it prosper - shouldn't be assumed to be cheating under any circumstances, and yes, they ought to be allowed to edit an ini or CMP now and then without informing the admin team because it is their job to work on those things.
And how does the developer who got caught using aimbot fit into your world full of principles and ideals?
Massdriver or Alley? I'm not fond of either, and neither are devs anymore.
Yet, you're saying admins should just assume they're not cheating just because they're in the dev team.
So what are you asking for? That anyone YOU'RE FOND OF should be above suspicion of cheating and have their anticheat turned off?
How can you not see the problem there?
How can you not admit the problem there?
RE: Fair warning - Thunderer - 09-01-2016
I wonder why this hasn't been closed yet, as it's a trial by forum. I hope it's because Durandal has asked Hannibal and others involved about it before pasting the conversation here.
RE: Fair warning - Arioch - 09-01-2016
(09-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Durandal Wrote: I'm going to get in touch with as many ex-admins as I can and find out what procedure would've been back in there day. I can already tell you one thinks you're all insane.
So we're insane a couple months ago for not following procedure. We're insane now for following procedure that is clearly known and there is zero reason to claim you didn't know.
Again, no one burned Devs at the stake. Words could've been adjusted so as not to convey the thought of distrust. Not one Admin said they/we distrust Devs. You made that assumptipon all on your own. And you claim we're burning you at the stake, when all we did was follow procedure that if you flag the anti cheat, we're going to be cautious and ask what's up, and then release said person. Which is what we did.
There is no winning with you. How about another Dev strike cause we did what we have publicly said we would do? How about halting Dev work because we asked a Dev why he triggered it, and then reverted the TEMPban? But please, accuse us of burning Dev's at the stake, despite Conrad offering you a test public server, as well as not one Admin saying we distrust the Devs nor acted beyond known procedure that you complained we didn't do before.