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RE: Can we get real... - t0l - 04-24-2020
(04-24-2020, 07:47 AM)Jayce Wrote:(04-24-2020, 07:20 AM)Hemlocke Wrote:(04-24-2020, 07:10 AM)Jayce Wrote: if bretonia doesn't give back every lend-lease battlecruiser, liberty will declare war
if the rollback takes place, Liberty shouldn't expect an immediate payback on it's debt, unless you just wanna be space pirates the house, then I guess go ahead, what they should expect, is being allowed access to their wrecks in bretonian territory to bring their people home, and their big boi ships obviously.
The lend-lease BCRs could be paramount to the survival of the remainder of the house if the rollback is to take place and they end up as weak as the story initially intended.
i didn't specify a timeframe
i just want all of them back
RE: Can we get real... - Hemlocke - 04-24-2020
(04-24-2020, 08:00 AM)Markam Wrote: I need a cookie for having read every single wall of text written by Hemlocke, but I am still not sure exactly where Bretonia "got all their power back". And I think this is the result of miscommunication or misunderstanding of what is happening right now in lore.
Story hasn't added any fleets, Exeter, while renamed, is still just an empty planet with a bunch of soldiers on it, and Bretonia is desperately trying to secure the system with one of their few remaining fleets, a plan that is possibly something not worth spending limited resources on.
Leeds remains empty and Aquitaine goes without saying, Aland is, by infocards added into the game in the last patch, seen as a bad shipyard that Bretonia is desperately trying to replace with a new project in Cambridge, which development has purposely made a WIP, as to not just magic in a shipyard.
Bretonia in lore is focused fully on domestic issues, and Exeter is considered domestic as Bretonia has an extreme problem with refugees. Again, Imperial Rheinland had nothing to do with Bretonia, and stuff like arguing with Liberty over gate tech is basically to be expected because Ageira argues with almost everyone. Both are player RP.
Anyway, give us more time to make more sense of everything and make it understandable in-game, if anything, the previous devs were wholly inadequate in the way news and infocards explained what was happening. This is not necessarily intentional, as this stuff takes a lot of work and the old team famously lost developers constantly to interpersonal relationship issues.
Be aware though that its not just Bretonia that has these inconsistency-with-logic issues and we will have to address everything, house by house, faction by faction. Next stop is currently planned for Liberty.
Thanks for taking the time to indulge the conversation, Markam. I appreciated your input.
RE: Can we get real... - Karst - 04-24-2020
I'm not going to write a giant wall of text here. I assume my positions on Bretonia and its handling by development are pretty well known. But I found something very specific I wanted to reply to, and extrapolate to a short statement about my thoughts on the matter which I think a fair amount of people share (hence this drama thread).
(04-24-2020, 12:12 AM)Thunderer Wrote: There have never been two mining stations in Dublin. There has always only been one, Graves Station. It still stands and hasn't been attacked during the war. Why? I don't know.
It was.
At the height of the siege of New London, a joint force of Mollys, IMG and GRI launched a coordinated attack on Graves.
Well, I say launched because the RP was done, whether or not this happened in-lore is unknown I guess, but clearly it didn't succeed if it did. When this RP was being done, we asked the devteam if we should even bother doing such RP, since there seemed to be little enthusiasm to grant any successes to Bretonia's enemies. We were told to go ahead with it, and of course it was ignored.
I think this is emblematic of the problem people had with the development: The capture or destruction of Graves could have been a fair and balanced success for the opposing side, from a gameplay perspective BMM miners would be based at Essex anyway so that wouldn't be an issue, and it would be a bittersweet victory for IMG in the face of an overall defeat of the conflict, but even more importantly for Mollys, a faction which has seen almost no positive development at all, finally conquering their arch-nemesis' station from which the movement was born in the first place.
This is something that could have been accommodated in the storyline at no great cost of justification compared to some of the other wacky shit that was used for plot.
But no. There was no room spared for even partial successes for those that went against Bretonia, no allowances for small victories in the face of overall defeat.
That, that is the problem that people had, and may well continue to have, depending on what happens in future development.
Edit: Why is this in Flood?
RE: Can we get real... - jammi - 04-24-2020
I've just moved this to general discussion because there are some genuinely interesting contributions going on and I'd prefer not to see the thread hijacked by memes.
RE: Can we get real... - NixOlympica - 04-24-2020
I am voting for the idea that the next evil plan of Nomads is to create a time traveling device which transports us back in time to 4.84.
And I am only half kidding.
RE: Can we get real... - Piombo65 - 04-24-2020
In a nutshell: Bretonia has fallen. The End.