(06-30-2021, 11:35 PM)Treewyrm Wrote: If you want to roleplay how you bought some engine nobody's stopping you, that's not what this announcement is about. It's just about how they are treated in terms of applying rules. Bottom line is that swappable engines were set as cosmetic and before they can be made as inRP equipment (as say weapons are) there needs to have enough variety of available choices. For example let's say you're flying faction A ship and there's default engine that comes with the ship (first-party), but there would be like 8-9 engines on the market that aren't specific or exclusive to another faction (third-party). Something like manufacturers from Borderlands, where each has distinctive visual aesthetic and not just be recolors of existing ones. At least that's how I'd like to see it. May be we will and if anyone wants to help they're free to give a try at making engine effects.

Kauket Wrote:Actually, even if I make 9 million engines, it's still the admins control in the end. Always has been.

Kauket Wrote:It will bother me severely that even if I make a load of generic open-cell stuff that the Staff may not actually guarantee to change their minds.

Quote:So in short state that they are cosmetic at the moment until further notice and that it may change in the future.

(07-01-2021, 10:07 AM)St.Denis Wrote:

Kauket Wrote:Actually, even if I make 9 million engines, it's still the admins control in the end. Always has been.

Kauket Wrote:It will bother me severely that even if I make a load of generic open-cell stuff that the Staff may not actually guarantee to change their minds.

As you are quite aware, the Admins didn't 'just' decide to do this. I came to the Devs and asked for a definitive answer on this, because we had received 2 Player's Requests to clarify this contentious issue.

You are in that Chat and you can see the conversation that took place and the decision.

Quote:So in short state that they are cosmetic at the moment until further notice and that it may change in the future.

It was decided that due to there not being much of an option, for coloured engines/thrusters at the moment, to make them be counted as purely cosmetic.

The Devs, sometime in the future, may decided to make a whole plethora of 'pretty' coloured engines/thrusters and then maybe Faction only engines/thrusters will become a reality.

(07-01-2021, 07:22 AM)Corile Wrote:

(06-30-2021, 10:45 PM)Relation-Ship Wrote:

(06-30-2021, 10:17 PM)Toaster Wrote:

(06-30-2021, 10:13 PM)Megaera Wrote: Its not really up to staff to decide what is inRP and what is oorp.
People can honestly RP whatever they want as long as it is within the scope of the rules.
I can RP owning Planet New Tokyo and there is nothing to actually stop me from doing so. People will call me a lolwut and its a pretty stupid things to do, but not against the rules.

Whether something is canon or not is something else entirely.
Just let people RP their engines. I will certainly keep doing so. I have a piracy line on my ID that lets me demand credits. There is no rule telling me in what situations to use that.

You can RP about the engines you mount all you like, but can't enforce RP consequences against anyone else because of theirs.

We had a situation where nomads demanded a cargo drop. Their ID doesn't have the lines in. But it does have a kill line. Admin consensus was that Nomads demanding cargo is not sanctionable as the alternative is a worse thing - death.

So if someone has a kill line - they absolutely can kill you and quote engines they can kill you anyways with generic lines and no reason.
If they have a pirate line - they absolutely can fine you and quote engines, they can pirate you anyways with generic lines and no reason.

What people can't do anymore is use FR4 or laws to punish you because of engines if they aren't using other lines.


EDIT: this is my assumption, admins can clarify, but the Nomad kinda similar precedent makes me assume this is the case.

My assumption is that half of disco has the logical apparatus and reading comprehension of a domestic hamster injected with a litre of third grade cognac, but in my case it seems the assumption is right.

The post in admin green says:

Quote:For the foreseeable future Engines and Thrusters are to be treated as purely cosmetic ie. ooRP.

This does not mean "engines exist iRP but you cannot enforce roleplay consequences," because if it meant that, it would be written like that. It literally means they don't exist. They are invisible for your character in the same way that a ship flying a Recruit ID is. There's ***** nothing there, and a character that mentions it iRP is schizophrenic or metagaming.

Now whether the decision is reasonable or not is beside the point, there is still time to change it. I think it would be good to keep engines iRP, but that's not what the post says.

(07-01-2021, 10:21 AM)Kauket Wrote:

(07-01-2021, 10:07 AM)St.Denis Wrote:

Kauket Wrote:Actually, even if I make 9 million engines, it's still the admins control in the end. Always has been.

Kauket Wrote:It will bother me severely that even if I make a load of generic open-cell stuff that the Staff may not actually guarantee to change their minds.

As you are quite aware, the Admins didn't 'just' decide to do this. I came to the Devs and asked for a definitive answer on this, because we had received 2 Player's Requests to clarify this contentious issue.

You are in that Chat and you can see the conversation that took place and the decision.

Quote:So in short state that they are cosmetic at the moment until further notice and that it may change in the future.

It was decided that due to there not being much of an option, for coloured engines/thrusters at the moment, to make them be counted as purely cosmetic.

The Devs, sometime in the future, may decided to make a whole plethora of 'pretty' coloured engines/thrusters and then maybe Faction only engines/thrusters will become a reality.

I'm in the staff chat. But I do not have staff role. I do not see any chat I have access to that had the discussion. I see a votr channel that has been empty for months.

Either way. I don't like making false guarantees to people. It would be nice to consider the feeling of achievement to players.

The last time I had a player approach to want gear, I told him to go prove himself so I gave him a little mission. But he declined and opted to want to shoot and be upset. Oh well.

(06-30-2021, 10:13 PM)Megaera Wrote: Its not really up to staff to decide what is inRP and what is oorp.
People can honestly RP whatever they want as long as it is within the scope of the rules.
I can RP owning Planet New Tokyo and there is nothing to actually stop me from doing so. People will call me a lolwut and its a pretty stupid things to do, but not against the rules.

Whether something is canon or not is something else entirely.
Just let people RP their engines. I will certainly keep doing so. I have a piracy line on my ID that lets me demand credits. There is no rule telling me in what situations to use that.

Makes good sense
RP whatever you want within the scope of the rules
RP a request to a certain faction for using their engine in your ship , Fun

(07-01-2021, 10:31 AM)Relation-Ship Wrote: I mean what it means is you can't gain engagement lines due to engines and thrusters

(07-01-2021, 10:40 AM)Relation-Ship Wrote:

(07-01-2021, 10:21 AM)Kauket Wrote:

(07-01-2021, 10:07 AM)St.Denis Wrote:

Kauket Wrote:Actually, even if I make 9 million engines, it's still the admins control in the end. Always has been.

Kauket Wrote:It will bother me severely that even if I make a load of generic open-cell stuff that the Staff may not actually guarantee to change their minds.

As you are quite aware, the Admins didn't 'just' decide to do this. I came to the Devs and asked for a definitive answer on this, because we had received 2 Player's Requests to clarify this contentious issue.

You are in that Chat and you can see the conversation that took place and the decision.

Quote:So in short state that they are cosmetic at the moment until further notice and that it may change in the future.

It was decided that due to there not being much of an option, for coloured engines/thrusters at the moment, to make them be counted as purely cosmetic.

The Devs, sometime in the future, may decided to make a whole plethora of 'pretty' coloured engines/thrusters and then maybe Faction only engines/thrusters will become a reality.

I'm in the staff chat. But I do not have staff role. I do not see any chat I have access to that had the discussion. I see a votr channel that has been empty for months.

Either way. I don't like making false guarantees to people. It would be nice to consider the feeling of achievement to players.

The last time I had a player approach to want gear, I told him to go prove himself so I gave him a little mission. But he declined and opted to want to shoot and be upset. Oh well.

It is about your Auxo engines you made afterall - you made them for your faction you want to own them in rp and feel the achievement - correct? This will discourage people from devving for their own factions, this drawback is clear.