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A small reminder to NY lawfuls - akar.zaephyr - 05-01-2009
After reading, and participating, in this thread the only chance I see is to talk to those lolcap indies and explain them that this is a RP server, yet what they are doing is not RP but simple, poor PvP. With no RP at all.
Maybe if you talk to them the proper way - some of them will listen if you explain nicely, some require to shout at them - they will change.
Maybe. If not, I see a chance in reporting such a player as hardly-PvP-oriented, damaging others RP on the server.
If being banned doesn't make such a unit start thinking, I propose forming a group of Xeno indies, flying bombers and being oriented exactly in eliminating such capwhoring players. I still believe there is a chance to put it into roleplay as Xenos are hostile to many enough. Kind of "cleaning ladies";)
The last, most extreme solution I see, is forming a group of terrorists, considering you have to get approval for such an ID however I think it wouldn't be worth of trying. Or maybe would be?
I, like Hawkwings, believe some issues players can handle too. Hell, right now if someone does something wrong I know there is always someone who will kindly explain in PM what they did wrong and in most cases that works. As someone said before, such players are willing to RP and if you guide them, they do it right after some time. I can bet many reports have been quit thanks to talking to those people. Why don't try to limit lolcap indies not obeying any rules except "engaging"? I think there is a place for that and it's worth trying. We just need to keep in rules and in-RP.
(BTW - who figured out this "capwhore" word? I didn't think that using words like "whore" will be legal on forums...)
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - Rudo - 05-01-2009
I've said it before and I say it again. Ideally, you provide examples and hope people get the idea. But I've encountered Junker players who think of the Congress faction as a pile of stiffs and will do everything they think can give us headaches. Picking fights with law enforcement/militaries, running transports full of contraband directly to capital planets under the nose of lawfuls, running cargo directly to Junker bases while being pursued, and other such fun things.
You can only provide example to those that want the guidance. Those that thumb their nose at your roleplay in response to an outstretched hand are sadly best left ignored.
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - Seth Karlo - 05-01-2009
If a battleship is attacking two VHF's in New York, they will soon have the San Francisco to talk to.
They come to NY for one reason: They want a fight. If they didn't want a fight they would sit in their guard system all day... which would be boring as hell.
To respond to an enemy battleship, don't bring out a fleet of bombers, that generates bad feelings for the cap owner, who will get no kills at all, and won't help the cap pilot at all.
Respond with another battleship, let them have a fun battle, let them have a chance. If they understand how much more fun it is to fight battleships then it is to fight VHF's, perhaps they'll stop doing so.
Battleships are built to fight battleships. Why don't we try and do so more?
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - JakeSG - 05-01-2009
Because battleships are big and expensive :S
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - AJBeast - 05-01-2009
' Wrote:If a battleship is attacking two VHF's in New York, they will soon have the San Francisco to talk to.
They come to NY for one reason: They want a fight. If they didn't want a fight they would sit in their guard system all day... which would be boring as hell.
To respond to an enemy battleship, don't bring out a fleet of bombers, that generates bad feelings for the cap owner, who will get no kills at all, and won't help the cap pilot at all.
Respond with another battleship, let them have a fun battle, let them have a chance. If they understand how much more fun it is to fight battleships then it is to fight VHF's, perhaps they'll stop doing so.
Battleships are built to fight battleships. Why don't we try and do so more?
Unfortunatelly , things dont work like that. Most factions dont have a Batteship, so , the best response is a bomber.
Also , why should we have to rise to a lolwutting BSs wish to fight by bringing out another BS ? A swift and neutralising fleet of bombers is the best option both in and out of roleplay.
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - Guest - 05-01-2009
Agreed with the above.
No need to capwhore the capwhores.
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - n00bl3t - 05-01-2009
' Wrote:I like to think that we players can handle some issues on our own without going to the admins about it. In fact, if everyone tried this, I'm sure that there would be a lot fewer admin headaches.
Of course, that's just what I'd like to think. Evidence so far seems to show that this is, in fact, not the case.
You would think this, but no, due to inherent bias or perhaps a feeling of inherent bias people want to deal with someone who they feel, at the point in time can give a fairly impartial decision that takes everything into account.
Having said that, I have no problems with someone shooting off a PM to a capital ship that appears to be behaving in a more PVP than RP mindset. I do have a problem with, "no you RP n00b you cannot fly that ship or I will wtfpwn you with my 5000 faction members".
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - Seth Karlo - 05-01-2009
You seem to think that a battleship is only there to be a pain, something to be removed... What if all battleship flying players thought that about bombers?
Look, what would you prefer, a battleship versus battleship fight, or a bomber swarm against you?
Quote:Also , why should we have to rise to a lolwutting BSs wish to fight by bringing out another BS ? A swift and neutralising fleet of bombers is the best option both in and out of roleplay.
The last time I heard an attitude this bad was when someone was saying that a cruiser was a good way to clear enemy VHF's so that it "protected Liberty" faster.
If I appear in my battleship, and you come at me in a fleet of bombers, is that fun for me? You seem to forget that people come here to have fun, and destroying them "swiftly" and "quickly" is not the best option... or you start removing other peoples oppurtinuty to have fun.
And that is what you started this topic about, people stopping others from having fun.
If you want to make more people than yourselves happy, (That goes for both the people who love bombers and the people who love caps) then you need to broaden your horizons a bit, and remember to make everyone enjoy the game as much as you do.
I'm done.
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - AJBeast - 05-01-2009
If i am out on a big and shiny BS i have to accept the fact that enemies can and will counter with bombers , just the way that if im on a fighter i must accept the fact that pilots on Gunboats will be able to crush me like a fly.
Also , I wouldnt feel sorry 1 bloody bit for blasting a lolwutting BS who is just wrecking everyone elses fun just for its funs sake. A good player and RPer though ... well , id RP with him untill he opened fire. Then blasted him. If you dont like getting blasted by bomber squads , fly with fighter escorts. Disco has a natural order of things. bombers counter cap ships, fighters counter bombers, gunboats counter fighters and so on.
A small reminder to NY lawfuls - Guest - 05-01-2009
Andy, i think you missed the point of this thread. The things we are worried about are lolwutting caps. If the person can rp that big boat, he wouldn't need to worry about them, since they have a rational idea when they are needed. We aren't forgetting here, that all people come here to have fun, but if i get some complaints that a chump or two are camping a field in cali with a lib carrier, where all new rogues usually do missions, beleive me, he will eat snacs in notime.
The current problem, is that, while we are whining about a few LNSs who either camp the badlands, the whitney ice field or beamont with their caps, we are simply powerless to stop all those Rogue and OC dessies and above from rolling around NY and killing LN and LPI light fighters.
And before you ask, no i am not biased with LNS, while i have seen utter idiots, like a carrier blowing my junker up for one engine component, ive had some damn good rp with one, just check the last pages in the rogue MD.