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RE: The Problem With Piracy - R.P.Curator - 10-14-2025

(10-14-2025, 01:55 PM)TheSauron Wrote:

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That hit the nail on the fucking head. No mercy.

RE: The Problem With Piracy - Synts - 10-14-2025

(10-14-2025, 01:27 PM)Nika Wrote:
(10-14-2025, 01:07 PM)Vlad Wrote: Traders won't get killed if they pay what a pirate demands. That's until alien/wild log and kill the trader without demanding anything. That gives the trader no chance to survive. Can you change that, please?

That doesn't need to be changed. Omicrons are meant to be dangerous, don't gothere if you can't handle that.

Really? Did you fall at some high place? ID line in RP server " Can attack EVERY ship" just 1/ and 2/ ?( Most retarded thing in RP server) And we aren't talking only Omicrons here.
That shit needs to be changed.

RE: The Problem With Piracy - Mr.Harris - 10-14-2025

(10-14-2025, 12:03 PM)R.P.Curator Wrote: @Mr.Harris
You talk a lot for a player who:
- uses the same player list to avoid interaction with pirates or lawfuls
- uses "friends" in the system to scout ahead and notify him of pirates / lawfuls so he can avoid or just dock
- Now this one is great: in system chat, ooRP insults and threatens pirates / lawfuls when he gets caught or destroyed
Thats a lot of hipocrisy when you actively do EVERYTHING in your power to avoid interaction or when interaction occurs you go ooRP.

Yours truly,
Fred.

Huh, funny
Where do you get the information that i am having friends and that they are scounting for me? Most of the time i am flying alone mate, and when you are hauling contraband through house space, you are using a cloak, makes sense, right?
Cuz lawfuls will tell you to drop the cargo, they dont let you go away with xeno relics for example(yes you can ask for licenses, im aware of it)
And btw, I am the one who is saying get rid of the systems tab onto the playerlist to get rid of avoiding pirates.

Please do your research before making the claim that I use friends for scouting ahead of my ship, i only have a cloak and nothing more.

(10-14-2025, 12:25 PM)Sayne Wrote: Alright, sure. Let's say we change the player list to region or omit player locations all together. Now, you almost never see any one. Pirating is now even more difficult to accomplish because you don't know where others are. Sure, this makes it so that silent powertraders can't skirt a pirate waiting ahead of them, but it makes finding the traders annoying for the pirate.

Oh, and let's say that you actually do find a trader as a pirate. The same exact thing happens as it does now. They noRP engage, run away, and then hurl OORP insults at you as they fly away or after they die. So what did you accomplish with this change?

Nothing. You just made it harder for pirates to find traders and increased the likelihood of never finding another player when playing.

I (sort of) get the reasoning behind wanting to do this, but in practice it won't solve anything but make things worse.

Well, yes and no sayne, everyone knows the meta trading route(it's gold and kenmer iirc)
Everyone knows the most active pobs
And .ost of the people knew where are the bigger factions are operating.
I only ask for the region change, I tell you something:
Some admin/devs want to get rid completely of the playerlist.
That makes it even more worse.
And I got one time caught with contraband with my barge,
But
I tell you something again:
The indie bretonia navy guy was like:
Drop all cargo or die.
Soooo
They also dont want to rp, they want that you lose your time/effort/credits and cargo.
He could also rp something instead of dropping or dying.
Navy/pirates needs to give the traders opportunities to get away with their cargo.
My personal opinion about it as a barge trader(i am only using it for everything, my first barge has over 460 hrs online time):
I wouldn't complain about if a pirate caught me,
But he needs to be reasonable and not going crazy cuz it's a barge or pay or die method.
And if you are unable to find a barge, than idk mate, dont pirate, it's the biggest and slowest ship on the server xD
Remember that it needs to be funny for both sides.
That also includes switching ships if people seeing one specific trader(a lot of guys are getting "hunted" if they log in.
And guess what?
They stopped playing the game......

But again, I agree that insulting is a no go.

RE: The Problem With Piracy - Luke. - 10-14-2025

(10-14-2025, 12:03 PM)R.P.Curator Wrote: @Mr.Harris
You talk a lot for a player who:
- uses the same player list to avoid interaction with pirates or lawfuls
- uses "friends" in the system to scout ahead and notify him of pirates / lawfuls so he can avoid or just dock
- Now this one is great: in system chat, ooRP insults and threatens pirates / lawfuls when he gets caught or destroyed
Thats a lot of hipocrisy when you actively do EVERYTHING in your power to avoid interaction or when interaction occurs you go ooRP.

Yours truly,
Fred.

Absolutely no reason to attack individuals with allegations here. Derailing discussion with pettiness is counter-productive to the purpose of this thread. Keep it civil.

RE: The Problem With Piracy - The_Godslayer - 10-14-2025

(10-14-2025, 01:07 PM)Vlad Wrote: Traders won't get killed if they pay what a pirate demands. That's until alien/wild log and kill the trader without demanding anything. That gives the trader no chance to survive. Can you change that, please?

Hi, leader of K'Hara| here. I just went around asking the alien players I know, and going through DSAce logs.

Almost all alien players demand "RP or die". Just stop and chat and interact, which is something most traders absolutely refuse to do. Here's an example of how YOUR powertrading could be going.
Code:
[15.04.2025 02:55:26] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** (Interest) ***
[15.04.2025 02:55:45] Donald_Rolton: *Confusion* Is that an alien ship??
[15.04.2025 02:56:06] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** (Mockery) -clearly not- ***
[15.04.2025 02:56:18] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** (Further Mockery) "I" -am very- |Human| ***
[15.04.2025 02:56:31] Hauptbahnhof: Evening pitots
[15.04.2025 02:56:31] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** -can- "You" -not tell- (?) ***
[15.04.2025 02:56:47] Hauptbahnhof: Yes... all too human... *smirks*
[15.04.2025 02:56:51] Donald_Rolton: I can't seem to understand his accent.. strange creatures
[15.04.2025 02:57:20] Wilhelm_Von_Harken: *Currently questioning human existence*
[15.04.2025 02:57:25] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** |Open Minds| -open- |Minds| ***
[15.04.2025 02:57:32] Donald_Rolton: We're... gonna be on our way now.. please..?
[15.04.2025 02:57:38] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** -no- ***
[15.04.2025 02:57:48] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** "I" -think- "I" -shall keep- "You" ***
[15.04.2025 02:57:54] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** -like- |Pets| ***
[15.04.2025 02:58:23] Donald_Rolton: My name is not george, I do not want to be pet
[15.04.2025 02:58:46] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** -what a- |Shame| ***
[15.04.2025 02:58:59] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** |Pethood| -is- |An Easy Life| ***
[15.04.2025 02:59:26] Wilhelm_Von_Harken: Can we be... telepets?
[15.04.2025 03:00:13] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** (Losing Interest) -no- , |That| -clearly won't work- ***
[15.04.2025 03:00:39] Wilhelm_Von_Harken: Man, I jsut started flying two hours ago and there's already aliens :O
[15.04.2025 03:00:44] Wilhelm_Von_Harken: The world is truly cray
[15.04.2025 03:01:01] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** {A smug laughter.} ***
[15.04.2025 03:01:11] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** |This| -was- |Our Home| -first- ***
[15.04.2025 03:01:20] Donald_Rolton: Kay...
[15.04.2025 03:01:29] Preparing to cloak...
[15.04.2025 03:01:40] Cloaking device on
[15.04.2025 03:02:08] K'Hara|Shozak-Za'am: *** {Satisfied, she leaves.} ***
[15.04.2025 03:02:18] Wilhelm_Von_Harken: Farewell, voidfarer

I think it's probably far more likely that your interactions go something like one of these.
Code:
[08.05.2025 04:39:16] K'Hara|Shozak-Mahknull: *** -what have- "We" |Here| (?) ***
(Group)[08.05.2025 04:40:01] Wild.Night: back
(Group)[08.05.2025 04:40:28] K'Hara|Shozak-Mahknull: silently engaged me
[08.05.2025 04:47:27] Ansa was killed by K'Hara|Shozak-Mahknull(100%)

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[19.05.2025 01:00:31] Andariel_Halo[$19] exited jumpgate at Omicron Iota D-5
[19.05.2025 01:00:42] Cloaking device off
[19.05.2025 01:00:49] K'Hara|Shozak-Mahknull: *** (False Curiosity) -what have- "We" -here- (?) ***
[19.05.2025 01:02:19] K'Hara|Shozak-Mahknull: *** -well- (?) ***
[19.05.2025 01:03:10] /1
[19.05.2025 01:03:10] K'Hara|Shozak-Mahknull: ***(Bloodlust)***
[19.05.2025 01:03:14] /2
[19.05.2025 01:03:14] K'Hara|Shozak-Mahknull: ***{The entity lunges agressively}***
[19.05.2025 01:04:01] Death: Andariel_Halo was put out of action by a hostile vessel.

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[19.05.2025 04:11:57] K'Hara|Shozak-Khibra: *** -having fun- (?) ***
[19.05.2025 04:12:04] K'Hara|Shozak-Khibra: *** |Room| -for- |One More| (?) ***
[19.05.2025 04:12:19] Chad_Jenkins: Uh...
(He and his friend silently cruise)
[19.05.2025 04:12:22] /1
[19.05.2025 04:12:22] K'Hara|Shozak-Khibra: *** (Playful Bloodlust) ***
[19.05.2025 04:12:24] /2
[19.05.2025 04:12:24] K'Hara|Shozak-Khibra: *** {She flits forward, bringing death gracefully.} ***
[19.05.2025 04:12:44] Chad_Jenkins: Well, shit, mate.
[19.05.2025 04:13:03] Chad_Jenkins: Let's get this squid.
[19.05.2025 04:21:53] Wild.Karrde died to K'Hara|Shozak-Khibra(98%)
[19.05.2025 04:22:12] Wild.Karrde: Yeah man I see what you mean about this server.
[19.05.2025 04:28:19] Chad_Jenkins died to K'Hara|Shozak-Khibra(100%)

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[22.09.2025 02:00:47] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: *** (Interest) ***
(Group)[22.09.2025 02:00:57] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: He attacks me???
(Group)[22.09.2025 02:01:02] "Zikade": WTF?
[22.09.2025 02:02:06] "Zikade": *"[It seems a choice has been made]"*
[22.09.2025 02:02:27] "Zikade": *"[Time to Remove you out of our Oceans]"*
(Group)[22.09.2025 02:03:05] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: I dont think I need help
(Group)[22.09.2025 02:03:17] "Zikade": Aight
[22.09.2025 02:03:39] "Zikade": *"[Perish at the Lights hands]"*
[22.09.2025 02:03:57] Shields Disabled
[22.09.2025 02:04:02] Shields Enabled
[22.09.2025 02:05:01] Andariel_Halo: with my last breath, I curse the Corsairs
[22.09.2025 02:05:18] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: *** -a shame- ***
[22.09.2025 02:05:19] Andariel_Halo died to K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi(94%)
[22.09.2025 02:05:19] Assisted by: "Zikade"(6%)
[22.09.2025 02:05:28] "Zikade": Truefully a Shame
[22.09.2025 02:05:31] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: *** "I" -just wanted- -to talk- ***

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(Group)[22.09.2025 04:09:02] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: caught him
(Group)[22.09.2025 04:09:16] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: AT THE JH RUNNING
(Group)[22.09.2025 04:09:58] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: norp engage
[22.09.2025 04:10:23] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi has set DTR-Peppi.Buscemi as group target.
[22.09.2025 04:10:23] OK
[22.09.2025 04:10:49] Shields Disabled
[22.09.2025 04:12:16] Shields Enabled
[22.09.2025 04:16:59] DTR-Peppi.Buscemi was obliterated by K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi(85%)
[22.09.2025 04:16:59] Assisted by: Hyperaccretion(15%)
(Group)[22.09.2025 04:17:32] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: if he attacks me im obliterating him
[22.09.2025 04:17:46] Xiphist.F was obliterated by K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi(100%)
(Group)[22.09.2025 04:17:56] Lugal'asal: Im guessing he attacked lol
(Group)[22.09.2025 04:17:57] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: alright
(Group)[22.09.2025 04:17:59] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: yeah
(Group)[22.09.2025 04:18:03] K'Hara|Shozak-Adabi: fired missile and everything

No, your regular nomad player doesn't instakill transports with no demands because funny haha. Generally, we kill transports that refuse to roleplay and silently cruise, or that silently engage us.

However, more than a year ago, I'd like to say it was around March of 2024, I did have an enlightening conversation with an indie nomad cruiser. I'm greatly paraphrasing here because it would take more hours digging through DSAce than I already put in and I only vaguely remember it, but the short version is that he was a silent powertrader who got killed for silently running, and took it upon himself to instakill traders without demands so as to "force admins to fix the shitty alien IDs so they can't troll honest workers anymore".

And Nomads aren't even pirates, which is what this thread is supposed to be about. Honestly, we can just kill you straight up, no fluff and no extra stuff. We actively choose not to, and instead just demand some roleplay interactions. The problem with piracy these days really isn't that pirates are evil which makes powertraders forced to avoid and be shitty to them all the time. The problem with piracy is that powertraders don't roleplay and have no character standards, and demonize pirates (and nomads, and police) because anything that costs them money, or even time, is subhuman in their eyes.

RE: The Problem With Piracy - Nika - 10-18-2025

(10-14-2025, 04:07 PM)Synts Wrote: Really? Did you fall at some high place? ID line in RP server " Can attack EVERY ship" just 1/ and 2/ ?( Most retarded thing in RP server) And we aren't talking only Omicrons here.
That shit needs to be changed.

Shit that needs to be changed is your dense attitude. Read Godslayer's post, thoroughly, then do it again, see where you're wrong. A good chunk of powertraders have a few false facts and misconceptions to snap from.

Play the game not for another million in their bank accounts but grow some guts and learn some standarts.

RE: The Problem With Piracy - Synts - 10-18-2025

(10-18-2025, 03:24 AM)Nika Wrote:
(10-14-2025, 04:07 PM)Synts Wrote: Really? Did you fall at some high place? ID line in RP server " Can attack EVERY ship" just 1/ and 2/ ?( Most retarded thing in RP server) And we aren't talking only Omicrons here.
That shit needs to be changed.

Shit that needs to be changed is your dense attitude. Read Godslayer's post, thoroughly, then do it again, see where you're wrong. A good chunk of powertraders have a few false facts and misconceptions to snap from.

Play the game not for another million in their bank accounts but grow some guts and learn some standarts.

My attitude is very okey , Godslayer picked out good encounters, ( I did read twice even his post) if i would start posting here how i lost just 60 mil worth cargo in one month to K'Hara and indie squids in Sigmas and Omicrons , just 1/ and 2/ , ( as persons said later " I can do it, my ID allows) and that was only me, but there a lot people who had same problem , then Alex needs another hard drive to keep Forums up. And your standards are in wrong place, it is RP server and we don't need here ID lines like squids have. And open your mind to squids? Isn't we have enough Wildes already in server who can shot everyone and in every corner in Sirius?
These your so called " Powertraders" they have very right facts . I bet we don't need to worry really in future about your " Powertraders", because more and more people just will avoid Omicrons and with such ID line as squids have , their Zoi should be limited to Omicrons only.

So next time when you smart one will answer, then look into mirror, think again what game are you playing and in what server , we don't need PvP whores here, that's the reason why that server is dying. We don't need NEW factions and ID-s here with unlimited Zoi and rights to shot everyone in everywhere.
I have more guts than you ever will have, so don't worry about that.

RE: The Problem With Piracy - Perfect Gentleman - 10-18-2025

(10-18-2025, 05:44 AM)Synts Wrote: I bet we don't need to worry really in future about your " Powertraders", because more and more people just will avoid Omicrons...

Finally.

And about RP. Thanks to our Pirate Discord, we have some screenshots.

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]

I'll send some videos later, probably.

(10-18-2025, 05:44 AM)Synts Wrote: " Powertraders" they have very right facts


RE: The Problem With Piracy - Ashyur - 10-18-2025

I have a way to fix it, I just never had enough in-game money to implement it
charging traders 10k per system visited as a cargo insurance, a discord bot will track players flying using player list to know where it started and when it ended the insurance purchased (already scripted, bot is in dse server and others that also supply with pob notifications of item stocks and other stuff )
If anyone is interested to give it a try and help me out(with credits ) let me know
this will make traders not having to risk everything during a pirate interaction,therefore not avoiding it

RE: The Problem With Piracy - Synts - 10-18-2025

(10-18-2025, 06:37 AM)Ashyur Wrote: I have a way to fix it, I just never had enough in-game money to implement it
charging traders 10k per system visited as a cargo insurance, a discord bot will track players flying using player list to know where it started and when it ended the insurance purchased (already scripted, bot is in dse server and others that also supply with pob notifications of item stocks and other stuff )
If anyone is interested to give it a try and help me out(with credits ) let me know
this will make traders not having to risk everything during a pirate interaction,therefore not avoiding it

I can't say how many players care about this in-game money, but I personally don't care about these pixels, what matters to me is the encounter I have with either the Pirate or any opponent. As mentioned above, there are always these "Powertraders" in the game, so there are also the same amount of these lolwut Pirates who think they're going to get rich with it or just get a "blue" message because they had a shit day inRL.