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Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - BestFlyerHere - 03-20-2007
Quote:The said trader, wasn't it an HF tagged trader? Was not HF hostile at the time the actions were committed? Was not the HF told to stay out of Cambridge? Was not the trader asked to leave but refused? Was this not the first incident where the SF encountered a hostile faction's trader and upon that incident I made it clear in the faction post our status regarding them? Can I insert any more questions into this without anyone noticing? Why was the AW helping the HF ignore SF authority?
I was that trader. It was a neutral trader. Kaines_Trader. My neutral, large train. So there.:P
I was being attacked by a [Marauder] GB. The AW helped me.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Malaclypse 666 - 03-20-2007
' Wrote:Let me explain. AW had no affiliation when ID system was introduced. After much controversy, I convinced Dab to take Zoner affiliation. Zoners were chosen cause they are 1) a powerful faction 2) reside in Edge Worlds and 3) are a loose union of many people who live outside of House systems, which gives alot of freedom to their allies. "Zoner" is explained in-game as anyone who left the House borders and wishes to live independently from others. Which might include other zoners. Is there a reason why one group of zoners should enforce their will over other zoners, or their allies? I don't see any.
Well, that should solve it then.
If AW will agree to cease and desist speaking for all Zoners,
then we will stop speaking for them.
Simple enough.
I take issue with your branding Ant as dishonest, Igiss. Serious issue.
However, no one is going to chase me way from here.
Period.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - majkp - 03-20-2007
Strong and unnecessary words, that's how most of the flames end... :(
Neither I think Ant should be considered dishonest, he's a nice guy not some rule-breaker. But it's too late now as it seems we lost another player whose role-playing forum activity was over 50%.
Well and just for the record. I may not be an admin but I have access to the server and I am in no way connected to AW so I checked Korrds chars and saw nothing unusual. Except the admin character obviously. And there was no mention about character editting in the logs either lately. Ioncross bans the players for the editting time. But I think we should believe each other more...
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Igiss - 03-20-2007
Quote:I take issue with your branding Ant as dishonest, Igiss. Serious issue.I'm not 'branding' anyone. Did you read Ant's last post here?
Quote:Yes there is a need [to leave].Do you really think that accusing an admin of cheating without any proof is honest? We already lost Angel, partially because of such accusations.
While Korrd is in Dab's pocket and complaining to Igiss, the AW can get away with pretty much anything they wish.
I haven't mentioned this to anyone but Firebird before...however...seeing as my characters are deleted anyway it doesn't really matter.
I have no proof apart from seeing 2 cruiser infernos and 2 cruiser battle razors hitting a stationary Rheinland bomber. Korrd shortly thereafter left the server saying something about some serverside thing.
My guess would be an admin shield was equipped to Korrd's bomber. I have seen about the same effect on a shield when Wolfpack asked me to shoot his admin bomber.
The part about AW doing what they wish. Some of us still remember times when AW officially owned most of the Edge Worlds, including Omicron Gamma, Theta, Alpha, and more. I've myself imposed a rule that a faction might own only one system, which would be fair for all factions. Korrd already was an admin by then. Both me and Wolfpack had lots of unpleasant talks with Dab regarding the systems and many other things. Now Ant's saying that Korrd is acting on behalf of AW, and convincing me to do the same. Do you really expect me to tolerate this?
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Korrd - 03-20-2007
The old times of AW, when the faction was new.
I remember the system claims. Almost one per week. Had we not stopped this and worked the rules that gave birth to the current ones, the AW would own all of Sirius except for the houses.
I do take the Admin duties seriously. I believe that, in order for a community to work, those who administer it must not be corrupt in any way. That is why i don't use admin powers to favor any faction. Favoritism leads to the collapse of the community, and that is something i will not allow.
Every faction is treated the same by me. Evey member is equal to my eyes. Even the CUFF/CCE guys, who i disliked because of their treachery and lies, was treated the same when they approached me with some concern, doubt or complaint.
This is the priority i gave to my tasks here:
* Admin
* Moderator
* AW second in command.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - pchwang - 03-20-2007
This is true.
Despite the fact that Korrd, Wolfpack, and Kane probably hate me due to past comments, they have been great moderators and members of our community. I was suprised when they still actually bothered to respond to my PMs.
I think that this thread should either be locked, or deleted. We do not need much more of this going on.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Kane - 03-20-2007
-Computing request...
-Request confirmed.
-Awaiting further Moderator input.
-Lockdown on standby.
- Moderator Central Computer
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Korrd - 03-20-2007
I prefer not to lock or delete threads unless there is no other choice. It's against the free speech right.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Hyperwave22 - 03-20-2007
My grain of sand...
As this has developed into a flame fest, let's try to view both sides and make a decision on that.
AW is affiliated with the Zoners, and if it were me, I would try to keep that faction as neutral as possible. However, this is a game in which the military is key. There are no civilian duties for a faction member in the Freelancer universe. The key word here is affiliated. Affiliation by definition, means:
Quote:1. to bring into close association or connection: The research center is affiliated with the university.- Dictionary.com
or
Quote:6. to associate oneself; be intimately united in action or interest.- Dcitionary.com
What does this mean? It comes out being very similar, and yet contradictory at the same time. Bringing one in close association would mean that they can operate on their own free will, as long as there are close ties, and very similar things between AW and the Zoners.
To the second quote, you see that it uses "intimately united," essentially meaning that it is in such close affiliation, that it would mean AW has to operate almost exactly like the Zoners.
We all know that it is very hard to operate like this, the only exception being the house military or house police factions. These two types pretty much have set goals and expectations, which enforces upon them to act in a very similar manner. For less direct affiliations, such as AW, there is a need to create some of the expectations on their own. This may include keeping Zoner neutrality.
Neutrality is not easily kept for anyone. The Zoners, expectantly, would have to do something to maintain this. It may mean that if they are becoming too friendly to one faction, they will have to break some ties with them, and form new ones with others.
However, I think that the main problems here are stemming from the new ties AW has formed with illegals. AW is semi-unlawful as they are not completely affiliated with the Zoners. However, it seems as if in order to protect their interests, AW may have taken a step too far. This is not meant to be offensive, but to me, it seems that if the AW were not allied with forces such as HF (friendly with others), this may not have happened.
According to the above quotes, AW has a fine line to deal with. Personally, I believe that AW took a small step in the direction of not just protecting their interests, but obtaining new ones. This is not to say that AW is completely at fault.
SF remained steadfast in the prevention of HF traveling through Cambridge. As HF wanted to revert their position as time progressed, SF kept to this prevention. If it would have done any good for SF to reverse this, I don't know. Since HF was allied with AW at the time, there were tensions, but AW seemed to not mind much at the time. However, it was kind of pushed into the shadows with the arrival of SA. The SF began to support them while they were still budding, which, I'll take a guess here, angered AW. AW then attacked Bretonian targets until SF started to give support enough to SA to help against the HF. Because of the previous events in Cambridge, the SF assisted.
I'm not sure if this was found as a ripe opportunity to get back at SF for the prevention of HF in Cambridge, but AW soon joined the fight. With them, hence my "taking things a little bit too far quote," Helghast, Corsairs and others joined. It appears that its created a bold, dividing line between the parties flaming here. Honestly, it appears as if this problem was started by no one person, but a combination.
I think it's time that we stop the flaming, and move on from this problem. This may seem out of context, but the most common reason that is fed to the world for studying history is so that we don't repeat our same mistakes. This can be learned here, right now, and we can move on from the problem.
Personally, I think things can stay as they are for now, and will change as both the community as a whole and individuals see fit. There is no point in arguing over the past anymore, as it seems to have gotten nowhere.
Also, Ant, I hope you return soon:(
Hype
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Kane - 03-20-2007
Free speach or no, flaming will get us nowhere. This threads duboius purpose has expired, and is now only servicing as an arena to flame. I would preffer to be known as a Lock Nazi then let this community burn more then it has to.