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Battleships- a solution - Canadianguy - 09-03-2009
I vote for number two.
But apply that at least to both BSs and BCs.
Yup the order carrier is spammed, but the LABC is too.
It make no sense that there are more LABCs out there than there are liberty siege cruisers.
Applying that to the cruisers and dessies as well might be good too.
I am also sure it would reduce the PvPwhoring in caps and maybe also reduce the numbers of threads on buff caps.
Battleships- a solution - Robert.Fitzgerald - 09-03-2009
The people abusing the server environment are the problem, not the ships they fly. I also believe the problem is vastly exaggerated by forum goers, and is further exacerbated by more members jumping on the bandwagon. Fixing the forum community's problems would be much more beneficial to the server health than restricting capital ship numbers.
Battleships- a solution - AJBeast - 09-03-2009
That sounds like a really good idea actualy , however I can see one big problem comming out of it:
"Ohai ololol, I r liek here 2 join 2 get BS and go kill ppl , k ?"
Not to mention that that would swamp the LN with every retard that wants a big ship ...
Battleships- a solution - elgeeko - 09-03-2009
I voted number 2, and quite frankly I consider it an excellent notion indeed.
If you intend to commit to a battleship, you can either commit to a faction or commit to being such an outstanding and longstanding RP-er than an independent request would be accepted.
I suggest that when the very rare special occasion comes that people need a battleship independent of a faction that they follow a process similar to the special RP load-out request and review.
Whether or not battleships are rebalanced (an issue I intend to stay out of) this opens new options to the developers whatever their decisions may be. Another plus.
Battleships- a solution - n00bl3t - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:*Waits for n00bl3t*
I was hoping to avoid it.
Simply put, all it does is alienate any good independents from forming strong ties with the official faction.
' Wrote:Honestly are they THAT big of a problem? I see more GB spam then anything else.
No, but people just associate the mass of the ship to it.
It could be called off-topic, as it is being done on Skype, but the fact of the matter is, if a BS can be taken down as easily as it can, and the supposed "lolwutters" gotten rid of in this fashion, then why restrict the capital ships? (When you look at it this way, you see more than "preservation of RP", you see "lulz, icanhazpowerpl0x". Apologies, but yes, that is how it looks.)
' Wrote:Number 2, and not just BS, anything Dessie and above should be stricter, dear god... Alot of people in caps don't even RP at all.
"Urgh, *whine* they are taking away our freedom!!!!"
Shut it, if you can't RP, get off our caps!
Our caps? Nice.
When did you get to decide who can and cannot RP?
The whole premise is ridiculous.
Battleships- a solution - Agran Harper - 09-03-2009
[offtopic](careful; NO rant and NO offense intended, nor meant, nor bad vibes approaching. mere constructive opinion).
Violette;
I do appreciate the heartblood you spend to make Discovery a better place, helping it by zealously arguing to get rid of the "unwanted" nonRP capship flyers (or whatever other "unwanted" entities there are/may be).
But there are times when enthusiasm is not a virtue, but becomes a nuisance. I experienced the very same thing, until one of my Gamemasters told me years ago (I quote);
Quote:"you are projecting YOUR requirements to the game on to everyone else, literally trying to force them to play by YOUR standards. Some may share your opinion and your point of view, but some do not. Some are playing the game just to relax and have fun. I do realize that you have fun in descending to the very depths of any character you play, and its appreciative BUT you have to realize, there are others in the same gaming group who feel dissed by your elitism."In that case; perhaps shifting down a gear and not blindly spearheading every glance of a lolwutter might help to not create more tension than there already is?
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Quote:i was suggesting to restrict battleships to official player factions, not "well known players".Quoted for truth, necessity and visibility.
Quote:everyone has the same mindset- "what's in it for me", and every decision, argument thrown out revolves around that.Are you so utmost certain about it? Certainly, its a natural habit in trying to get the most out of it, but how many here do stuff just because it fits to their character WITHOUT having a real margin for themselves? I certainly did recognize a considerable amount of exactly that "courtesy" in this forum.
Quote:In the current situation, i fail to see a simpler solution, at least until people change their mindset around here.Just out of curiosity, and really only that; are you into that game for so long that you see the negative stuff bigger than it is and degrading the positive stuff to being "self evident"? You sound pretty tired and worn out with that statement, and of course I do not know you and of course it is only written stuff but... answer me in all the consideration and honesty you have; is it REALLY THAT bad?
Apart from that, there is just ONE THING that bothers me the most with all that flaming the lolwutcappers (which are most likely not even reading this stuff because they don't really care about the forums anyway); Rules. It is against the rules to engange without proper RP that justifies this act of agression. Apparently many lolcaps do this? Then report them to be sanctioned?
Just stuff to keep everyone pondering...
Battleships- a solution - Eppy - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:The people abusing the server environment are the problem, not the ships they fly. I also believe the problem is vastly exaggerated by forum goers, and is further exacerbated by more members jumping on the bandwagon. Fixing the forum community's problems would be much more beneficial to the server health than restricting capital ship numbers.
You know, I largely agree with you on the exaggeration and bandwagon bits, but then I remember what I see whenever I undock from Malta in my Switchblade or bring my Dreadnought out of orbit of Carinea and I see...
[color=#33FF33]Sarissas! Thousands of them!
Battleships- a solution - Thurgret - 09-03-2009
Might I suggest that everyone takes a gander at this thread?
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14433
Anyhow, the majority of capital ships I see about the place are ... lacking when it comes to RP. There are a few exceptions to this. Not many, mind. All the official faction ones tend to be good. A few indies are good, too.
I voted for option 2, anyways.
I'd tentatively suggest that I'd like to see it for -all- capital ships. Gunboats included. It would really reduce the spam a great deal, I'd hope.
Battleships- a solution - frozen - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:Are you so utmost certain about it? Certainly, its a natural habit in trying to get the most out of it, but how many here do stuff just because it fits to their character WITHOUT having a real margin for themselves? I certainly did recognize a considerable amount of exactly that "courtesy" in this forum.
Just out of curiosity, and really only that; are you into that game for so long that you see the negative stuff bigger than it is and degrading the positive stuff to being "self evident"? You sound pretty tired and worn out with that statement, and of course I do not know you and of course it is only written stuff but... answer me in all the consideration and honesty you have; is it REALLY THAT bad?
yessir. i fail to see a simpler outcome because this is the internet, and here anyone can be (and most are) as arrogant, rude, bashful, ignorant, egotistical or anything else they wish, since arguing over an internet forum has no real life consequence. You are one person amongst many. im taking the majority into consideration.
As i said, if people are unwilling to swallow their pride and actually do something that benefits the community, you cannot expect any changes.
but come now, this thread is going off topic, and im to blame mostly.
everyone, please return back to the topic at hand. (any off topic situations i will gladly deal with via pm, or skype of you have me added. flames will be ignored, so dont waste your energy)
Battleships- a solution - Ceoran - 09-03-2009
"solve it in an rp-manner"
nice idea, easy to say, but what are you going to do if there are 6 Sarissas and dreads around Malta without giving a single sentence, nor responding to hails or any other attempts to roleyplay with them? Or if they are disobeying orders based on the outcasts laws only because they are given from a fighter pilot? Pull out the next Sarissa or Dread to talk to them as "equals" and get a proper answer? The only thing they would do is ask you for a training fight and it's pretty ridiculous if there are outcast capital ships blowing up each other in front of the planet. No thanks, no need to increase the capspam even further.
Oh and Grimly, maybe you noticed that it's about handling the own caps and not the enemy ones...