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Tired of the confusion! - ryoken - 04-18-2011
I still say making certain ships illegal is BS. Should not be shot for using a ship,just because it is built by someone not liked. Should be judged by the cargo,the ID,or the attitude in game.
Also. WHERE THE BLOODY HELL! DO YOU GET JUNKERS ARE HATED BY ALL?
Sorry to burst your bubble lad,but many lawful's love,and use junkers. Junkers are not all smugglers,or work with pirates.Some work against,and help lawfuls.
Junkers can fly anywhere(except Kusari space) and expect free passage if using legal ships,and legal cargo.
Boy are you in for a surprise in 4.86
Tired of the confusion! - VoluptaBox - 04-18-2011
1. Some ships are bound to be illegal no matter what the cargo or id are. And it's right that way. Example, the Pirate Transport.
2. Writting in capitals doesn't make your e-peen larger, nor your argument more valid.
3. Junkers aren't hated by House Police, for example. But they're not loved either. They're ignored as long as they don't cause trouble. Still, flying in a Pirate Transport doesn't make you immune to House Laws just because you are a Junker, just as a Zoner isn't immune to piracy.
Tired of the confusion! - ryoken - 04-18-2011
' Wrote:Still, flying in a Pirate Transport doesn't make you immune to House Laws just because you are a Junker, just as a Zoner isn't immune to piracy.
Never said it did. I do think how ever that the ships should not be Illegal/KOS. It would be the same as saying all border world ships should be Illegal/KOS just because they are used by alot of outcast's/pirates.
A little off topic,but way i see it is if all pirate trans/trains are Illegal cause alot of "bad guys" use them,then alot of other ships should be the same. Hmmmm... actually strike that. That would make me no better then all the lawful factions banning every ship at present cause it is built in enemy space. I give up. Lets make everything hostile to everything else. Oops... nevermind. Thats already being done to by the Factions.My bad.
Enjoy Discovey PvP server.
Tired of the confusion! - VoluptaBox - 04-18-2011
' Wrote:Never said it did.
True. But it came out of the discussion between Rex and Hielor, which then turned into the discussion about Junkers being hated...anyway...
Pirate Transport:
Quote:Designed by the Liberty Rogues, the Pirate Transport is one of the few transport-class vessels available for unlawful population of Sirius. This ship is too distincitive to be used for smuggling in areas heavily patrolled by police and military. However, the Transport is great choice for smugglers carrying goods from one pirate base to another using dangerous and lengthy routes. Heavy armor and advanced equipment come in handy if the ship is threatened by hostile pirates and bounty hunters alike.
Border Worlds Transport:
Quote:Built to endure and thrive in the harshness of the frontier, the DL series borderworld transport thrives in the corners of space where the safe delivery of essential supplies can spell the difference between life and death. Heavily armed and armored with a generous cargo bay, the commonly sold craft holds a softspot in the hearts of traders of all stripes and affiliations. From the burning orbs of the Omegas to the soft hues of Omicron Alpha to the mooring points of Newark Station, this is the ship of choice for the discerning Freelancer.
See why one is outlawed and the other isn't?
As for the comment about the PvP server. I'm tired of trying to explain that PvP is an important part of RP. Whatever....
Tired of the confusion! - Vito - 04-18-2011
Ryoken, you are wrong. Again...
Lawful forces know certain ships are only built by unlawful groups. Why would anyone buy an unlawful ship? Because they don't have access to civilian/corp/bw transports (hence they are already wanted criminals), because they want the extra offensive firepower of the Ptrans or because they don't want to walk into Omnicron Gamma or Alpha in a corporate transport. Any of those reasons are enough to be labeled a criminal in all four houses.
There is an abundance of lawful freighters and transports available. You will ask for them to be buffed, in order to counter the Prtans, right? That can't happen because the Ptrans is made for offensive actions, while any lawful transports should be made for defensive actions.
PS: I do enjoy Disco. If you don't like it get away from it and stop talking crap all day long
Tired of the confusion! - ryoken - 04-18-2011
' Wrote:Ryoken, you are wrong. Again...
Lawful forces know certain ships are only built by unlawful groups.
Am i Wrong now? Both those ships are sold at junker bases. So if junkers are "unlawful" instead of "quasi lawful" like ID,and Junker discription describes them. Then the Zoner GB should also be an unlawful ship,as it is also sold on Junker bases. IE. "unlawful" faction. That! is what i am trying to say. Also Border world ships are sold on "unlawful" bases,infact i know of no lawful base that sell's a sabre.
So my point is why is one ship KOS,and not others? Just because info card is as old as crap? Or because "pirate" is in the name? NO! they should be open to all,and be judged by ID/Cargo,or group flying it.
There is a ton of other ship's used by unlawful's. Should they also be put on KOS list in house space? All i am saying.
Done now. Continue hating me,and trolling me. It just makes me push harder.
Tired of the confusion! - Vito - 04-18-2011
' Wrote:Lawful forces know certain ships are only built by unlawful groups
' Wrote:Both those ships are sold at junker bases. ... Then the Zoner GB ... is also sold on Junker bases. IE. "unlawful" faction ... Also Border world ships are sold on "unlawful" bases
See what I did there?
Tired of the confusion! - Negatar - 04-18-2011
Ryoken you are the man! I am enjoying your very valid points in this issue. :yahoo:
Tired of the confusion! - Negatar - 04-18-2011
Since these factions make up all the rules - who is going to reimburse me for my Pirate Transport and help me buy that Shire? Why the Shire? Tech chart says I can use it and the cargo hold fits to Junker ID specs - unless I am wrong again and am not reading the correct materials. :wacko:
Tired of the confusion! - Hielor - 04-18-2011
' Wrote:Since these factions make up all the rulesThey're not rules, they're inRP laws. Big difference.
Quote:who is going to reimburse me for my Pirate Transport and help me buy that Shire?No one is going to reimburse you for being willfully ignorant of the laws. Asking this is like asking who's going to reimburse you for the fine you have to pay when a cop pulls you over IRL for not having a license plate. It's your own fault for not spending the five minutes to look at the conveniently stickied thread containing all of the house laws.
It's also your own fault for not stopping to think for even a second that some lawfuls might not like to see a "pirate" transport in their House.
Quote:Why the Shire? Tech chart says I can use it and the cargo hold fits to Junker ID specs - unless I am wrong again and am not reading the correct materials. :wacko:You're still confusing OORP server rules with inRP house laws.
By the server rules, yes you can use a Shire. You can also use a pirate transport by the server rules.
I have to imagine that not many houses will complain if you're flying a Shire...with the exception of Kusari, but since you're a Junker you won't be going there anyway. A Bretonian vessel works out nicely for a Junker, since it doesn't restrict you any more than you already are (although the Corsairs and Outcasts might not appreciate you having it there).