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Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - jimmy Patterson - 08-20-2008
' Wrote:In my honest opinion, two bombers should have a challenge against a battleship. why? well, for one thing, they made battleship guns WAY too weak. example, a CRUISER gun can do as much dps as some FIGHTER guns. this is just absurd. battleship guns? heres how you fix them. make anti fighter guns, (dont tell me solaris, they are almost useless on a ship that big) and anti hull guns. as is cerberus turrets cost 50k to fire on battlesships, for only about 15% more damage. normal turret costs about 3k-4k each fire. basically, make main guns have 5k range, 5k hull, 2k sheild, but slow rotation so they cant hit fighters well. make AA like the solaris. or have flack fixed... either way, a 45 million credit ship should NOT be able to singlehandedly take down a 1 BILLION credit ship.
/signed
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - El Nino - 08-20-2008
' Wrote:I saw a Bomber nearly kill a BS on his own!
I don't agree it should be easier for fighters to kill Cap ships. Sorry.:P
It was a "joke" suggestion, along with the easier for fighters would come a big supernova nerf so the bombers would have the same "hard" time... they do now...
Well send that bomber to me... I think there's hardly a theoretical option of a bomber taking down a BS... shield regen is to high... Even if he hits every supernova that still won't be enough, you need to make an aditional 10% damage to take the shields down...
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - Bill Christ. - 08-20-2008
He was a =CR= bomber..
He was clever though he attacked a BS while it was navigating through a minefield.:laugh:
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - El Nino - 08-20-2008
' Wrote:He was a =CR= bomber..
He was clever though he attacked a BS while it was navigating through a minefield.:laugh:
Hardly a "hardly a theoretical"... involves a stupid BS admiral.... who got his rank due to his power trading parents...
I do Agree, BS Shields should be set to a recharge rate where a single bomber just cannot take it down (unless BS makes a real stupid mistake like running in to a mine field)
Perhaps to a level, where two supernova shooters (two bombers) can just slowly deplete it's shield... Right now, One bomber can't do it, but to can do it... It's still far from being easy, as BS's have some serius firepower if you're opposing them in a fighter(bomber). That would mean a shield recharge in region of 7k/s I believe it's now at 4.6k. All leaser caps should be balanced acording to this.
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - Bill Christ. - 08-20-2008
' Wrote:Perhaps to a level, where two supernova shooters (two bombers) can just slowly deplete it's shield... Right now, One bomber can't do it, but to can do it... It's still far from being easy, as BS's have some serius firepower if you're opposing them in a fighter(bomber). That would mean a shield recharge in region of 7k/s I believe it's now at 4.6k. All leaser caps should be balanced acording to this.
the whole point BS's are BS's is because they're huge crafts that simply couldn't be penetrated by fighters (or bombers) on their own or in small numbers.
I wouldn't spend $700mill on a BS if i'm just as well defended in my $30mill Gunboat.
I'm suggesting 15K regen & more armor and of course other Caps balanced accordingly.
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - SGTMatt - 08-21-2008
I really would like to see the caps get a boost now that you are going to need a full guard rep to fly one.
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - El Nino - 08-21-2008
' Wrote:the whole point BS's are BS's is because they're huge crafts that simply couldn't be penetrated by fighters (or bombers) on their own or in small numbers.
I wouldn't spend $700mill on a BS if i'm just as well defended in my $30mill Gunboat.
I'm suggesting 15K regen & more armor and of course other Caps balanced accordingly.
Well it's not really like that. Fighters can hardly touch you as it is already, with any resonable boost this would only increase...
Bombers on the other hand were made to touch you. And as such, should be able to... right now two bombers can do the job. Perhaps this number should be raised to a three bomber minimum, but making BS's imune to bombers would really nerf the bombers to much... why would anyone then use them, except for taking on traders :lol:
The whole balance is set to limit cap whoring... to provide somekind of sportsmanship between two players, giving them equal chances in combat so to say... as things stand right now, a bomber could take down a battleship should it not be defending itself. Due to this apperent unrealism two bombers can do the job, and 3 or 4 have very little to fear from a BS (or anything less)
Anyhow PC's are heroes in their own might, NPC's are the bread and butter of any army, but when you see a heroic famous PC flying at you in his bomber, you start planing for a war, not an easy skirmish, you know it is not going to be easy, he will dodge your shots, posibly flee you're not getting an easy kill... these kinds of RPG ideals are heavily supported by current standards. But when you roleplay a tough admiral, experienced in all trades of war, you cannot do it when 4 rookie bombers you could have taken out in a fighter show up demanding your life...
Idealy a players skill should account for everything, but you really cannot compare a BS to a fighter...
The important issue is... make all super weapons mortars, razors infernos as efficient as regular turrets, so when you trade your energy for firepower you don't pay 2 times to much... for a BS could then be very effective shooting capital weaponry, let's say 2 mortars for an epic battle, right now if you don't use almost entierly regular turrets, you're shooting yourself in the foot, when it comes to cap vs cap battles. As they are faster and twice as efficient....
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - chopper - 08-21-2008
Quote:the whole point BS's are BS's is because they're huge crafts that simply couldn't be penetrated by fighters (or bombers) on their own or in small numbers.
I wouldn't spend $700mill on a BS if i'm just as well defended in my $30mill Gunboat.
I'm suggesting 15K regen & more armor and of course other Caps balanced accordingly.
That's because you don't give a damn about other players on this server.
Do you have any idea how this server looked like with powerful and cheap battleships?
No you don't.
"I GIVE CASH I WANNA PWN". We don't care.
Anyone can powertrade for 350 hours and buy every damn thing in Sirius.
That doesn't mean you have to win every fight just because you spent your money.
Get escort, don't bring BS's in fights you can't win.
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - Lunaphase - 08-21-2008
chopper, i think you missed the concept here.... a single bomber, or even two, should NOT be able to kill a battleship when the thing is nailing them full broadside. currently it takes the lib dreads full gun loadout 60 consecutive hits on a rheinland bomber to kill it. this is absurd.
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - Armageddon - 08-21-2008
' Wrote:chopper, i think you missed the concept here.... a single bomber, or even two, should NOT be able to kill a battleship when the thing is nailing them full broadside. currently it takes the lib dreads full gun loadout 60 consecutive hits on a rheinland bomber to kill it. this is absurd./signed