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RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Sombs - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 05:44 PM)Catbert Wrote: If you find your enemy lacking in skill, numbers, or coordination, help them make themselves better. Or even make them better, if that's what it takes. Yes, you aren't obliged to do that. Yes, you'd be spending time away from your faction. Yes, you'd basically be creating your own enemies. But the alternative is further decay, and people finding more fun pastimes.
Wesker did
Antonio did as well before he left Discovery
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Shaggy - 04-26-2019
WESKER YOU ARE A FLOWER.
HI, I don't know what happened in Hamburg, but it seems I missed something. So I will keep reading
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Reacher - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 05:21 PM)Loken Wrote:(04-26-2019, 02:38 PM)Reacher Wrote: You presume to presume that I presume among other presumptions.
Don't take it for granted that things you say on discord will remain private. They rarely do
But don't worry about it, I'm just a "griefing troll" after all, right?
(:
Seems that I triggered you by stating history a general historical fact and you're taking it mighty personal.... trying to bait me eh?... Son, I'll just pray for you.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Dan. - 04-26-2019
Can't understand why People play in RP space with "Conn" attitude.
if someone is not Ganking you then its a good sportsman spirit but if he is ganking Then its RP space and he can. If You can't contain the situation while being ganked then Break off.
=>New players Cry over Ganks. > "Its understandable."
=> But old vets Cry over Ganks. > "Why man? Why?"
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - TLI-Inferno - 04-26-2019
Frankly, I'm also tired of seeing people taking their OORP grudges about being ganked onto the forums, and I'm also tired of seeing people switch to different characters and retaliate against the same faction, or even target players' other known characters.
Considering that it is a roleplay server, it is OORP to expect the rest of a factions' pilots to stand by and watch to make a fight even. Within roleplay, a faction should be showing up with whatever it has ready. It is good for the quality of roleplay interaction and gameplay for people to at least attempt to make interactions fair from time to time, but they don't need to be fair a hundred percent of the time. Sometimes you're outnumbered. Sometimes you're outgunned. Sometimes your ship gets blown up. That's the name of the game.
What sense would it make if a faction of violent criminals were to "fight fair"? What sense would it make for the rheinland military to use a fair, equal amount of personnel to stop said criminals? Obviously, they would send as many people as they need and have available. Sometimes RHA gets ganked. Sometimes RM gets ganked. And sometimes it's an even fight, but one side or the other still wipes the board. As long as it's not always the same faction getting ganked, or doing the ganking, then it's fine. If you think that it isn't happening both ways, that is because of your observational bias as you remember the incidents that upset you, where you were ganked, and forget the incidents that don't upset you, where you were ganking.
Now, is a dozen people logging on instantly to gank a single person, over and over again, quite distasteful and detrimental to the quality of gameplay? Yes. Such a thing is despicable. But, most of the time that people are complaining, this is not the case. It's usually an isolated incident, in which case it is not an issue.
However, a faction ganking or being ganked a few times a week is just how it goes. While people rage and fight on the forums about the few ganks a week that happen for each faction, adding up to a few dozen ganks a week, each faction is also having dozens of quality interactions, adding up to hundreds of quality interactions, that don't make it to the forums, because people are more concerned with complaining than they are with appreciating one another.
More people playing is a good thing. Be thankful that you have so many people to enjoy playing with. Sometimes they're on your side, and sometimes they're against you. Work on making an even fight whenever possible, and accept the occasions when it doesn't work out that way. Complain a little bit on discord for a few minutes if you're upset about it; but don't hold a grudge. What would Freelancer be without competing factions?
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Enkidu - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 06:57 PM)TLI-Inferno Wrote: More people playing is a good thing. Be thankful that you have so many people to enjoy playing with. Sometimes they're on your side, and sometimes they're against you. Work on making an even fight whenever possible, and accept the occasions when it doesn't work out that way. Complain a little bit on discord for a few minutes if you're upset about it; but don't hold a grudge. What would Freelancer be without competing factions?
This is about a situation where one group is disproportionately overwhelming other groups. Look at DSAces of encounters and that's providential. What you say is true, entirely, but it's not an either/or situation. The most that can be said is that RHA players are occasionally ganked on other characters.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - SnakeLancerHaven - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 09:07 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:(04-26-2019, 08:36 AM)Nepotu Wrote: Will people ever stop crying on this server? Just grow a pair of balls, play the game and stop whining. That's how you deal with unfairness in real life too?
You got ganked? Get over it. You can come back in the system 1h later.
Not saying RHA is guilty of this, but generally speaking that's a terrible attitude. One offs are acceptable, especially in the chaos of a fight where more people stream in and it's hard to balance. But consistently ganking, whether you're going out of your way to do it or not, is bad pvp etiquette and will make people not want to log in at all.
I dunno Lyth. A strong motivation for me back in the day was your Core Fleet that was outnumbering almost everyone in Omicrons and outskilling. Just like Wesker, I took a stance and built a force within SCRA, recruited people we trained, learned through trial and errors eventually made more allies that could help and assist and in the end we had enough players and enough players that worked on their skills to fight our enemies we always lost to.
I gave roles to people, when someone was good in a cap he'd fly a cap or if someone is good in a snub inside a battle, go for a snub. We were embracing many victories against enemies that used to outnumber us. I did the same thing with Sentinels/Prime (until we had fewer members that logged). But we always had one goal and that was to bring interaction no matter if you're outnumbered. If we had 4 Makos jumping on a single AI Cruiser, well so be it but at least we gave 5 people an interaction for that day, something to do and that's what drove me in discovery. It's only when complaints and grudges were rising on the forums that something became lesser interesting.
Come on guys, this is an endless cycle. Back then it was the same with Core and GRN, now it's about RHA. Instead of trying to destroy Factions just because you can't go out of your own boundaries and freakin get people on your sides just enjoy the game while it last.
We're in this Universe together, each and every one of you generates activity, think of yourself as a part of the assets in game. Once YOU become sour, the fun will end there (and don't come to me with "Oh but we're getting ganked that's not fun either" ). Lack of Coordination and lack of knowing your own members skill, just try to give those people their role in which their best at and let them play.
I learned it that way, I sucked at PvP and still do but a good coordination in a group fight even gave people like me some victories to celebrate lol.
Not to mention, all this STRICT-RP boundaries (coming back to step out of your line) is also what hurts some factions. Just because you think Lore-whise and RP-whise it doesnt make sense for Faction A to ally with Faction B doesn't mean you can't find loopholes to work together. I've seen people bashing on us so hard for making allies that might seem contradicting to our RP, but generally those people ended up losing their factions officialdom and went dead and silent.
If you don't have the skills, make friends/allies get some help.
Quote:It's funny, back when I took leadership for RHA, we were a tiny faction looking to establish a name for ourselves. We had never been recognized as a faction to put up a fight - that didn't stop us from logging in and dying repeatedly of course. As my old 2ic Riess would put it "RHA was RM and the Corsairs old punching bag". Naturally, we would have a member or two who would ask if fights to could be a little bit toned in our favor. But our response from these factions at the time (both of which were comprised partly of a member base that is still playing them today) was "get good at the game *****". Well, now the tables have turned haven't they?
This sh** is golden because I remember when Wesker was just a Recruit inside SCRA when I used to be around and I've seen him progress every bit from taking over leadership of RHA up until now, so I know what the hell he's talking about there about tables turning lmao.
I just think every year it's a new scape goat. Core, then GRN and now RHA, which faction will fall victim to this next year?`
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - TheShooter36 - 04-26-2019
You forgot the evil capspamming meme import faction SnakeLancer. We were the scapegoat of last year.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Sombs - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 08:06 PM)Commissar SnakeLancer™ Wrote: I just think every year it's a new scape goat. Core, then GRN and now RHA, which faction will fall victim to this next year?`
Legion Maltesa, if we're following the scheme of naming factions Wesker was prominent it.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - SnakeLancerHaven - 04-27-2019
(04-26-2019, 08:48 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote:(04-26-2019, 08:06 PM)Commissar SnakeLancer™ Wrote: I just think every year it's a new scape goat. Core, then GRN and now RHA, which faction will fall victim to this next year?`
Legion Maltesa, if we're following the scheme of naming factions Wesker was prominent it.
: )
yeah, I remember that mentioning on one of my videos 2 months ago why people should stop giving up on logging and that you're part of the problem if you continue "Oh I saw this one guy, I bet more will log on so nope *logs off* ".
If it doesnt load on that time I linked, try this: https://youtu.be/PaIevGoRJy4?t=1763