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RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - Implosion - 10-07-2023
(10-07-2023, 10:17 PM)vladimir26 Wrote: Hello and thank you for using our feedback thread.
About Destruccion, he thought we'll engage right away, that should explain the first set of lines, but we didn't, as we gave you guys some time to log and group up. The 2nd set of lines was when we actually started firing. He does care about RP, but that wasn't the best place to do it, don't you think?
About the second thing, the battleship was indeed engaged before he manged to RV with your main fleet, but not when he was still invulnerable. From what I noticed he actually had time to drop his lines and already started moving towards your main fleet. Also, we did that because Core players started logging, and within minutes we were swarmed. I hope you find this understandable since it seems it wasn't obvious enough. This comment would've made sense if we would've won the battle, but only the battlecruiser died, which probably it was you.
Thank you for your non-laughable constructive criticism.
You seem to be either avoiding or missing the point I've tried to make.
It was not about you engaging us, or taking us out, or anything related to the outcome of the fight.
I've very specifically said that it's not very chill to camp a base and engage people as they undock.
Also, it's irrelevant if I was on that battlecruiser or not ( I totally was and enjoyed every second of it).
PS: You've failed to cover all the things I mentioned in my initial post.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - vladimir26 - 10-07-2023
(10-07-2023, 10:27 PM)Implosion Wrote:(10-07-2023, 10:17 PM)vladimir26 Wrote: Hello and thank you for using our feedback thread.
About Destruccion, he thought we'll engage right away, that should explain the first set of lines, but we didn't, as we gave you guys some time to log and group up. The 2nd set of lines was when we actually started firing. He does care about RP, but that wasn't the best place to do it, don't you think?
About the second thing, the battleship was indeed engaged before he manged to RV with your main fleet, but not when he was still invulnerable. From what I noticed he actually had time to drop his lines and already started moving towards your main fleet. Also, we did that because Core players started logging, and within minutes we were swarmed. I hope you find this understandable since it seems it wasn't obvious enough. This comment would've made sense if we would've won the battle, but only the battlecruiser died, which probably it was you.
Thank you for your non-laughable constructive criticism.
You seem to be either avoiding or missing the point I've tried to make.
It was not about you engaging us, or taking us out, or anything related to the outcome of the fight.
I've very specifically said that it's not very chill to camp a base and engage people as they undock.
Also, it's irrelevant if I was on that battlecruiser or not ( I totally was and enjoyed every second of it).
PS: You've failed to cover all the things I mentioned in my initial post.
I believe I covered all the things you mentioned without using laughable words or formulations. It's also funny that your feedback comes after an outcome like this, being the sole casualty of a huge fleet.
I'm also certain we weren't camping anything. You guys had plenty of space to maneuver and rally, but you didn't. And again, your guy had already moved a lot and dropped lines by the time we came in range of him. If we were actually camping, then he would've been turned to ashes, same for your main fleet, but it didn't happened. You died only because you hugged our Legate, not because we were camping the base, and the Mako you mentioned is alive and well.
Alas, we can agree to disagree. Also, being a moderator I'm sure you're aware that such feedbacks ain't the way this kind of issues should be solved. It's been a while since we raided Delta or met Core| on the field. I wonder why this feedback came now on behalf of Core|.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - Couden - 10-07-2023
(10-07-2023, 10:15 PM)Dragomar Wrote: I'd just like to leave this here. Don't worry the guy changed his drawcash password lol.
I had the same issue with a piligrim liner back in time in Cologne. Seems like this action is normal for them.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - Implosion - 10-07-2023
You're implying I'm somewhat attacking or harassing you.
You're also implying I actually have an issue with dying in a fight.
Both of these assumptions are, however, incorrect.
I merely pointed out that there are better ways to initiate a fight than camping 3.3k outside a base with a cap fleet. Something that I have not seen or done in the past four-five years.
The fact that I am a moderator has nothing to do with this feedback. Furthermore, the fact that I am a moderator does not render me blind and mute.
I've had an issue, I've brought it up, that's what feedback is for, no? You're being awfully paranoid. Not everyone is out to get you. As for other ways of solving these issues, do enlighten me?
PS: It's been less than 48 hours since the last DTR/Core| encounter. That's not a very long while.
PSS:
Oh, I missed this reply:
(10-07-2023, 10:24 PM)9th.Legion Wrote: Quite interesting. None of us camped at the NPC base, we gave you guys plenty of time to get out and engage. When we saw that Core are amassing with OC's as reinforcements, WE then decided to engage. Three minutes later, we were outnumbered 3to1, so i don't know why you are crying ?
Sure i did not RP that much, I gave one line how you guys are ugly and that was it, IDK what more you expect from me
-At least i drop lines, not like some of yours
I mean, I can argue and say there weren't any outcasts on site at the moment the first shot was fired, or that you were 4k from Durban, dropping engagement lines. But I mean, what's the point if you keep denying the obvious and gaslighting me. I find it amusing how you disregard everything and everyone.
For once I decided to drop a reply in your feedback and you assumed I am "crying". The moral of the story is rather obvious here.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - LuckyOne - 10-07-2023
As someone who was present there on the side of Core I did not find DTR conduct (too) concerning. They waited plenty until Core had some more people logging.
Sure, camping 3.3 k outside our main base could have been better handled, and some more distance maintained, but they dropped plenty of lines as a group. Personally, I find the rule of everyone having to drop lines before engaging a bit silly when the situation is obviously escalating and two groups are engaged in a standoff, but it is what it is with this engine and administration limitations.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - vladimir26 - 10-07-2023
I just pointed out my opinions, same as you did. If you call it paranoia I don't mind. If you call our actions laughable I also don't mind. Enjoy the freedom of speech.
While I do appreciate that the two senses you mentioned are top notch, I believe I answered your concerns, even if it didn't suited you. Rest assured that your concerns were not misunderstood. But if you wish to continue to debate here until we agree, well I will dissapoint you.
Have a pleasant evening.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - Omicron - 10-07-2023
As a witness. Corsairs had genuine desire to give you some breathing room to get some more people and could had attacked much, much sooner than that. Miscommunication error perhaps?
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - Implosion - 10-08-2023
(10-07-2023, 11:38 PM)vladimir26 Wrote: I just pointed out my opinions, same as you did. If you call it paranoia I don't mind. If you call our actions laughable I also don't mind. Enjoy the freedom of speech.
While I do appreciate that the two senses you mentioned are top notch, I believe I answered your concerns, even if it didn't suited you. Rest assured that your concerns were not misunderstood. But if you wish to continue to debate here until we agree, well I will dissapoint you.
Have a pleasant evening.
This is so nicely written, I couldn't possibly think of a counter to it. In all seriousness, you are indeed correct. There are certains things that we won't agree on. I believe the list would be pretty long, actually.
But let's only mention the encounter from tonight. You wouldn't enjoy it if the roles were reversed. However, in this particular situation, you think it's fine and I do not. And since there is no possible outcome that changes this particular set of parameters, I have no choice but to let this go, as it's not going anywhere anyways and I admittedly was a fool for expecting it do so.
So yes, do have a pleasant evening as well.
As for the rest of the replies, I have never said sufficient time was not given. Please, do not put words in my mouth.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - vladimir26 - 10-08-2023
I see a chance to finish this, so I'll break my words and give it a shot. You were not a fool, don't be mean with yourself now, save it for others. It was a constructive feedback with unconstructive words.
Thanks to the other feedbacks I did understood that the distance was an issue. Before the battle I admit we didn't paid attention to it because we had no bad intentions. In the future we'll do our best to provide extra room for comfort.
RE: Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback - Serpentis - 10-08-2023
(10-08-2023, 10:33 PM)Ravenna Nagash Wrote: Obligatory meme in order:
1) DTR forces
2) Battleship Perditrix
3) Mr. Implosion at it again
God Serenity was good.
Uhm, oh yeah, so I had the good fortune to have a good look at the Event today and saw over the stream how the DTR ships that were WILDY outnumbered acted really well, they roleplayed a lot better than some others on the server and if I don't misremember, there was this final word before death of one of the DTR caps as it blew up. Kudos for sticking to RP while still doing the PVP thing!