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Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Lump Lorry - 12-23-2009
' Wrote:No, I was talking about the Lane Hackers, not the Hellfire Legion. I remember them, having cover names and no official tag as well, what makes sense for them.
Ya the Hellfire Legion member are tagged [HF], all Hellfire member must wear this tag. I didn't knew Lane Hacker where not tagged... all the not-indy Lane Hacker I met, where wearing a tag: [LH]. Anyway, my ignorance.
Maybe some player where using also an indi char... but this is a different story and still... their reputation was matching the ID.
The real issue here is if MND (official or indy) shall be allowed to
1) Have a mismatch between rep. and ID
PLUS
2) do not wear any tag
The sum of the two raise some doubts to me, I think I'm not the only one. And you see... I have a conflict of interest here cause I'm going to have an MND char (either official or indi). But still I'm worried about the possible implication of 1) + 2). Maybe we should chose 1) or 2).
Final... :D if they really need to disguise why don't allow them to wear other factions tag? I'm surprised nobody had yet suggested this evolution... ok... don't flame... this last comment is just a joke... :)Even if I expect that somebody will suggest it, sooner or later...
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Cyberanson - 12-23-2009
Why do you think I introduced a doubled leadership (RM/MND) to this faction proposal? To prevent this power to be abused. With the acceptance to be official a factions gains certain rights and duties, as well as responsibilities. This one is special, as it is easy to abuse. So I decided it would be best to let several people control this faction.
If experienced players handle this faction well, it will add only good things to the server RP. To get in, you need to prove yourself worth it. Any problems with that? EVERYBODY can make an independent MND char... ever seen independent Phantoms or SCRA? So I think it is just fair to claim some elitism for this one.
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Lump Lorry - 12-23-2009
' Wrote:Why do you think I introduced a doubled leadership (RM/MND) to this faction proposal? To prevent this power to be abused. With the acceptance to be official a factions gains certain rights and duties, as well as responsibilities. This one is special, as it is easy to abuse. So I decided it would be best to let several people control this faction.
Wait... what worrie me the most is not power abuse. I'm sure all the RM and all the accepted MND players will be very good ones, very respectfull of fair play etcetera. I'm more worried about the possible confusion; it can happen also to a very good player to role-play in the wrong way the charachter if he has not (as a player) all the relevant information. This double hiding can lead, even good players in error, that's my point. And nobody wants good players to be pissed of.
Still... it's just my very personal opinion... no need at all to be agressive, please... :)
' Wrote:To get in, you need to prove yourself worth it. Any problems with that?
Sorry but I think this is an un-needed provocation.
' Wrote:If experienced players handle this faction well, it will add only good things to the server RP.
[...]
EVERYBODY can make an independent MND char... ever seen independent Phantoms or SCRA? So I think it is just fair to claim some elitism for this one.
That's a different point: is really needed to be un-tagged to add something to role-play? The tag informs the players about faction but it does not inform the characters!
A good player confronting with a tagged MND wearing a different rep will make his char reacting in accordance to the rep and not to the tag. That's my point: the tag is an info for players; it's not something the charachter can know. That's the reson why I think the tag issue has nothing to do with role play, at least confronting good players... bad players are not an issue here, as you said.
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Cyberanson - 12-23-2009
Then give both options a try and check out, which works best. Easy as this. Let's not lose time with discussing this out and just start. We will see how it will work.
I am with you, as soon as my Ubuntu properly runs Freelancer... got some issues with the right version of Disco.
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Altaris - 12-23-2009
Have you created MND as part of [RM] faction?
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Lump Lorry - 12-23-2009
' Wrote:Let's not lose time with discussing this out and just start. We will see how it will work.
Ok!:DReady to do it.
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Cyberanson - 12-23-2009
' Wrote:Have you created MND as part of [RM] faction?My concept faction is under the command of the RM, but is not a part. Currently we handle the official MND as part of the RM. ([RM-MND]) This will change, as soon as this thing becomes official. I hope my concept will be taken then.
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Altaris - 12-23-2009
' Wrote:My concept faction is under the command of the RM, but is not a part. Currently we handle the official MND as part of the RM. ([RM-MND]) This will change, as soon as this thing becomes official. I hope my concept will be taken then.
Aha, so you consider MND as something like a special under group of Rheinland Military correct?
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Cyberanson - 12-23-2009
No. It is a seperate group, but the RM leadership has the possibility to prevent abuse. Just one more security measure. The leadership of the MND consists of the Directorate. As long as everything stays within fair boundaries, the RM needn't to interfere here. Although I would appreciate it, to see some political influences on this faction from the Rheinland government.
Rheinland Marinenachrichtendienst - Altaris - 12-23-2009
' Wrote:No. It is a seperate group, but the RM leadership has the possibility to prevent abuse. Just one more security measure. The leadership of the MND consists of the Directorate. As long as everything stays within fair boundaries, the RM needn't to interfere here. Although I would appreciate it, to see some political influences on this faction from the Rheinland government.
There should be political influence of course, but MND as faction, shouldn't have anything to do with Military.