' Wrote:I personally, while i hate the factions who will use it with a passion, agree that seeing tentacles on wraiths and scorpions is just silly.

' Wrote:Also, if your going to try to pose as a faction, how about using their tech instead of expecting me somehow not to notice the nomad crap on your ships? ive seen a wilde fafnir with a singularity cannon a few weeks ago, honestly, a quick scan would show the diffrence. Ive also seen wraiths with nomad guns and other random crap.

' Wrote:We may RP as being Military, especially across systems. But once we get within scanning distance we expect the IFF/ID/Guns/Agressiveness to teach people that we're Wilde. We may continue to lie, but that's an InRP lying. If someone is treating us like the Military, sometimes we'll go along with it, sometimes not.

If we want true undercover peepz, we create characters that use that IFF/ID, and act as members of that faction. Usually faction characters with the faction leader's oorp consent. It has worked out well so far.

' Wrote:I have a problem with one of the arguments you are making Akura. Which is that it's ok for you to have OP guns because you will only use half a loadout of them. Thats what the dev team was promised regarding the scorpion, we see how well that worked. Unless the rules state that you cannot use more than 50% loadout, it's an argument I cannot get behind. We have seen this play out before. "We need these guns because we get shot alot, and I promise we will only use a half load out of them so it's not too op" which then turns into a full loadout and a super op loadout. The guns should be balanced the same if you plan to use a 50% loadout or a full loadout of them, because if they are balanced for 50% I am pretty sure at some point they will be used as a full loadout since there is no rule against it.

Also, these weapons will make your people look more like nomads, not less. An unidentifiable weapon will make every one of your ships suspicious to local law and others. I can tell you now if you fly into Kusari and tell us we cant see that you have guns that no one knows anything about, we will laugh at you and then shoot you for being some kind of unknown. Please dont try to tell people how they have to react to you. As I have said to you before, if you want people to rp with you like you are the KNF or the RM, you have to act and have loadouts that are exactly like the KNF or RM.

' Wrote:The Wilde and Iseijin are two of the most active factions on the server. There is never nothing for us to do.

' Wrote:I searched in the activity stats, but i coudn't find the Iseijin, is that normal? I found only the Wilde.

You said that fighters will get a 50% wilde loadout. What about caps? Do i have to expect a kusari dessie or gb with full overpowered guns again?

' Wrote:I have a problem with one of the arguments you are making Akura. Which is that it's ok for you to have OP guns because you will only use half a loadout of them. Thats what the dev team was promised regarding the scorpion, we see how well that worked. Unless the rules state that you cannot use more than 50% loadout, it's an argument I cannot get behind. We have seen this play out before. "We need these guns because we get shot alot, and I promise we will only use a half load out of them so it's not too op" which then turns into a full loadout and a super op loadout. The guns should be balanced the same if you plan to use a 50% loadout or a full loadout of them, because if they are balanced for 50% I am pretty sure at some point they will be used as a full loadout since there is no rule against it.

' Wrote:Also, these weapons will make your people look more like nomads, not less. An unidentifiable weapon will make every one of your ships suspicious to local law and others. I can tell you now if you fly into Kusari and tell us we cant see that you have guns that no one knows anything about, we will laugh at you and then shoot you for being some kind of unknown. Please dont try to tell people how they have to react to you. As I have said to you before, if you want people to rp with you like you are the KNF or the RM, you have to act and have loadouts that are exactly like the KNF or RM.

' Wrote:We'll have guns like the Outcasts do.

' Wrote:Outcast Guns are going to be nerfed, so I heard.

' Wrote:Well to say it this way, I sincerely doubt you just want this for the RP usage. You want krakens on Chimeara's and Wraith's, or something even better.

You already got the nomad guns, which are slightly different then the krakens, and seeing the amount of users playing outcast, I think it may be a safe bet to say that many outcast players are also Wild players. Therefore, I surmise, you want to use that beloved particle cannon on all your ships, but you can't, so you give it a new name, ask for it.. then go "F U techchart!".

' Wrote:They would be similiar to Krakens in gunspeed, range, and damage? - Yes.

They would have somewhat similiar gunspeed to the guns you already use (human ones)? - Yes.

Let's check the facts.
Your proposed guns:

Wild Hybrid Cannon - Class 10 Gun - No type - 700m/s - 600 range - 3.03 refile - Wyrm damage - Slightly better energy management

Wild Hybrid Blaster - Class 10 Gun - No type - 700m/s - 600 range - 4.00 refile - Kraken damage - Slightly better energy management

Other guns at your disposal:

Hornviper II - Class 9 gun - Tachyon - 700m/s - 700 range - 5.88 refire - 340 hull damage - Energy usage 88

Disinfector 3 - Class 9 gun - Neutron - 600m/s - 550 range - 4.00 refire - 520 hull damage - Energy usage 105

Sunfrenzy 3 - Class 9 gun - Photon - 600m/s - 600 range - 8.33 refire - 260 hull damage - Energy usage 70

And now the current "order" guns:

Nomad Energy Blaster - Class 10 gun - No type - 600m/s - 700 range - 4.00 refire - 585 hull damage - Energy usage 94

Nomad Energy Cannon - Class 10 gun - No type - 600 m/s - 700 range - 3.03 refire - 705 hull damage - Energy usage 112

As you can see, with the refire rate of the hornvipers and the refire rate of the Wild hybrid guns especially come to mind here, as you can see, this would be an extremely good alternative to use with hornvipers.

And Vrabcek, to say it this way, it seems the proposed "rp" there is nothing but bull**** made up in order to get better guns..

' Wrote:But, in the vanilla campaign, the LSF proved to have taken to use large quantities of nomad inspired technology. Why don't they have Nomad energy blasters, or these "adaptations"?

And monkeys can replicate every single thing humans do, and parrots fairly much of what we say, we don't need to understand it, but you can still use it. Like.. most people use a laptop, but fairly few understand how it actually works.

My point beeing, you wouldn't need to be a nomad in order to use the technology and replicate the basic operating principles.
And finally, regarding the guns and pvp, honestly, do similiar gunspeed help with accuracy? yes? Does high damage and low use of energy help in pvp? Yes?

Then why don't you understand what I'm saying?

' Wrote:So you admit to that you want these guns for pvp and that the Wild is a almost purely pvp faction? Interesting.

' Wrote:I seem to recall somewhere you said that you didn't actually want people to think that, and you wanted people to try and go according to lore regarding that the nomads didnt want to whipe everyone out?

Nobody can force a type of rp upon you, if you choose the pvp-ish approach, it's your decision and you shouldn't blame it on the rest of the community.

' Wrote:The ignorance in this thread is amusing to say the least.

Crete artifacts = Dam K'vosh toilet paper. :D

Here's my POV. DW can kill things with whatever guns we decide to use. It's not the guns, it's the teamwork/skill. Getting Wild guns is just like the LN getting their own guns. Are they going to be used for PvP? Yes. Will this cause DW to RP less or suddenly force us to enter a "Golden Age" ? Probably not. But they'd remove one of the (doh) things about playing a Wild character.

If this was the LN proposing to get their own gunset, and they currently only had Liberty Civilian, would everyone be whinging this much?

' Wrote:I read DW there as Darkwing. (Anyone remember them?)

' Wrote:As Mjolnir has jokingly said that the Nomad Lasers on Wild ships are like the Wild cutting off Nomad limbs to use on their ships, I propose the following solution.

' Wrote:Nomad Cannons and Blasters are Order-made copies of Nomad weaponary, mimicing the Nomad energy as oppose to actually using the genuine stuff. So don't go giving me that bull excuse that the Wild can stick to those.

' Wrote:The fact of the matter is, the Wild don't have any tech that they've made themselves other than the Scorpion.

' Wrote:So I propose this:

Wild Hybrid Cannon - Class 10 Gun - No type - 700m/s - 600 range - 3.03 refile - Wyrm damage - Slightly better energy management
Wild Hybrid Blaster - Class 10 Gun - No type - 700m/s - 600 range - 4.00 refile - Kraken damage - Slightly better energy management

' Wrote:This gives the Wild five new guns to use, balanced to be as good as some of the best publically available guns.