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Titan vs - chopper - 02-24-2008
Agreed.
I think that a Viper has really decent stats for non-vanilla ship, maybe it can be used as an example for making a new one?
Bigger hitbox, same agility, more firepower and armor.
I think it would be fair, the only thing Outcasts did complain about is Viper's hitbox (Wrath hitbox to be exact.).
My suggestions for a Titan had nothing to do with this, both can be done.
I didn't mean to improve Titan so it can be better then Sabre, I just wanted to make it better in something it's already good in.
Pirating, or fighting gunboats.
Titan vs - Etaphreven - 02-24-2008
I'm also in favour of adding a forward-firing turret. But some hitpoints could help, aswell.
Titan vs - gezza999 - 02-24-2008
Well, leave the Titan as it is, maybe make it more powerful ( More armour, more powersupply, forward firing turret whatever),
Drastically improve the Decurion, to a kind of "Heavy Light fighter" where it's really manuverable, with fairly decent guns, maybe the only LF with a pair of class 10s + 2 class 9s?
I'd prefer if ALL bombers were HUGE, like the Praetorian, the Praetorian can do hideous damage against capships, I remember a pair of them, plus a light fighter, totally mauling a BHG Battleship.
But, a pair of Blood Dragon bombers were having problems taking down the one Corsair Dreadnought.
As for the Kusari Bombers... Meh, you can't compare any bomber to that, they're kind of " Anti-fighter/ capship bombers"... But that's a segway, so I'll stop with that.
I'd prefer if the Decurion, or any other ships that have 4 guns have full class 9 guns rather than half 8s half 9s. And if they have +5 forward firing guns, knock a pair of the guns down to class 8.
Titan vs - Othman - 02-24-2008
' Wrote:Drastically improve the Decurion, to a kind of "Heavy Light fighter" where it's really manuverable, with fairly decent guns, maybe the only LF with a pair of class 10s + 2 class 9s?Not a bad idea, but the ship would need a powerplant upgrade as well for that.
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I'd prefer if the Decurion, or any other ships that have 4 guns have full class 9 guns rather than half 8s half 9s. And if they have +5 forward firing guns, knock a pair of the guns down to class 8.
Titan vs - Unseelie - 02-24-2008
I'm going to propose 4k more armour. Which puts its base at around 19500 armour. The thing could probably survive a nuke, and it stays in line with the idea of variety. When balancing, you really only have two options, one, to make everything the same, and two, to make things more different. Maneuverability and armour are not equally transferable, that is, it takes a lot more armour to equal a bit of maneuverability, and the more maneuverable, the more armour will be needed.
I suspect 4k more armour will balance the titan against its classic opponents, as the armour boost to the Bret GB (bret gb is a tank, and has nearly a cruiser's armour rating) balanced it against other GB.
I also think its a logical fallacy to assume that its ok to have an unbalanced ship in one class, if the other ships of the line are made better. The whole line is horrible, and you only want to fix the HF? or the LF? thats ignoring the fact that again, these things do not transfer, a **** VHF being replaced by a strong LF makes the problem worse, and ignores the fact that the issue is a **** VHF, not a **** line of ships (the line may be ****, but with a decent VHF, it would hardly matter)
Titan vs - Equinox - 02-24-2008
' Wrote:I'd prefer if ALL bombers were HUGE, like the Praetorian, the Praetorian can do hideous damage against capships, I remember a pair of them, plus a light fighter, totally mauling a BHG Battleship.
But, a pair of Blood Dragon bombers were having problems taking down the one Corsair Dreadnought.
As for the Kusari Bombers... Meh, you can't compare any bomber to that, they're kind of " Anti-fighter/ capship bombers"... But that's a segway, so I'll stop with that.
Actually that sounds strange to me, because I fly both and I don't see the difference when taking on caps, infact the Kusari bomber has a foreword firing turret which the Praetorian does not so it has more firepower, top that with the fact they don't need a gun slot for a shield buster and the size difference plus both ships can fire there weapons indefinitely and im betting those things could take out caps allot faster.
What happened to those 2 Corsair VHF designs that where posted?, I think the best way to go would be to introduce one of those as a lighter VHF for the Corsairs, and before you screen "you cant have two" take a look at other factions that have two of the same class ships.
Titan vs - Othman - 02-24-2008
Well the question in my mind is, would boosting the hitpoints of its hull prevent losing wings easily?
Titan vs - mjolnir - 02-24-2008
Allright.... ideas that I like.. after thinking about it...
for Titan
one of these
- extra CD slot... that way everyone can have a mini
- extra 2 lvl 8 slots. (might be a bit overkill... since you can put two rapiers there to do 794 damage for 104 energy.. and have 6 slots for guns..., but on the other hand it can be ok...it will be even more deadly 1on1 and against GBs and bombers... )
- extra armor.
Decurion
- agility upgrade
- it can get the standard HF powerplant (9000/900 instead of the LF one 8000/800)
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@McNeo..np... I'm making a corsair character on Wednesday anyway..
btw.. my Titan was named Caballero ... deleted him some 4 months ago... and now some TBH uses that name :(
Btw.. Chimaera had same turn rate in 4.83 as Titan has now... and I was fighting Blood Dragons and Raven Talons (in 4.83!!!) (usually 1 on 5) in it.
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@Equinox
The small powerplant on the BD is irritating.. and when you are two it's no problem to dodge fire even in the bigger bomber... (I can do that in a Barghest.. that is twice the size of most freighters). Extra turret makes no difference against caps...if you fire your guns the SN recharges even slower...and that's the only thing that matters against Cruisers and up.
Titan vs - chopper - 02-24-2008
Mjonlir, yes, but you'll agree that Chimaera is a lot harder to hit then Titan.
Also, it's much more agile (agile doesn't mean that it turns better, it means dodges better).
I actually think it's the same size as a Blood Dragon HF.
I like the ideas, maybe a very powerful Decurion could replace what Titan lacks.
I haven't flown the thing, it is important to know how big it's hitbox is.
It should be better then the Scimittar, if you want to balance things out.
And it's hard to be better then the Scimittar, when talking about LF's.
Scimittar is kinda mixed LF and HF.
Similar to Dagger.
Titan vs - gezza999 - 02-24-2008
It's not to do with the firepower, it's to do with the power-supply. On the Kusari Bomber, 1 Supernova drains MOST of your energy, on the Praetorian, it drains FAR less ( as a percentage), so I could shoot it into his hull more frequently way more frequently,
Four Colda Del Cids ripped off his shield when they were low to save power, usually had enough for a Supernova after that, so poof, it careers straight into the Battleships hull,
Do that for a while, he's out of re-gens, bouncing around in the rocks, another Supernova hits him, BOOM. Dead.
We only had one casualty in that fight, the Light Fighter, it stopped paying attention and flew directly into two volleys from the battleship.
The Imp. Debils aren't as good for raw damage as the Colda Del Cids, and energy consumption on a Praetorian doesn't really matter.
As for the two Corsair VHF designs... sorry, I must have missed them.
Unselie... You can add all the *s you want.. Really... Add a few more... go on.
As for the actual point you were making in those last few sentences, which was hard to dig out from all the *s,
The Corsair capships, I have no experience of what-so-ever outside of a Bomber, hence I can't comment on that at all. The Dreadnought is HUGE, I know that. Can't remember seeing a Corsair Cruiser, 'cept the Huntress, which is awful.
A bad VHF CAN be substituted by a good LF or HF, in fact, a good LF is probably better than a good VHF. Personally, I hope the new Praetorian design doesn't replace the current one... I either want a huge very heavy bomber, a light fighter, or a very agile VHF.