' Wrote://So forcing people into a path they do want to take is bad right? Establish factions do that everyday here and its accepted. How can a faction ban all mercs or freelancers or indie cap ships from their space? What about the Phantoms? I'm supposed to fear them because their RP says so? Doesn't that force people into a path? This kind of stuff happens all the time here and its ok because its from established factions. That still doesn't make it right.
//I'm not sure about the name. Machine Alliance. Only because there are machines out there that do not want to kill humans. Ratchet would want to join a machine alliance but not the harvesters. So perhaps a new name that focuses more on the harvester goals?

' Wrote:The first rule we read everytime is "the ID is an item that replace the tractor beam and show your RP status on the server' (something like that). No ID fit to the harvester. Once again, a simple and clear explanation of the "faction status" (similar to any rep sheet) and a simple ID is far enough without spoiling everything.

Now my dear .:jc:. friends, I am truly sorry to say that as a Junker Guard as you are, the Harvester endanger my neutral stance with the Outacst/Corsair and i will not be surprised to see the zoner considering the Jc has hostile in the future. So, when I will decide to take side for the Zoner, will you help me or help the harvester or let me die ?
Ouch ! the problem is we ALL have a Junker ID... Am i clear now about forcing a faction into something ? It is not written, but allies to Harvester = at least unfriendly to Zoner and the ennemies of the Harvester which means Outcast and Lane Hackers. I'm talking about generic factions not a clan or a family.
So as my general RP status is affected, how come Junkers are allies ? Why the corsairs are friendly? And the last question, what is the diplomatic status with the Order ? (a premedited act maybe ?)

Is it so unreasonnable to just have a single explanation, even the smallest one, so that any junkers, corsairs or Order characters can at least decide what they can do or expect ? For the rest, ship restrictions, etc, i really don't mind, i just care about the RP and i have nothing to criticize about.
Nonetheless, as it is a faction proposal, i humbly ask for an answer for me and for all the others player-characters. *sarcasm on* Can I have it or it is only gamemaster restricted ? *sarcasm off*

PS : It could have been so simple to write "unfriendly with all lawful, neutral with the rest, and keeping your hostiles list". No contradiction and no confusion. Harvester would not be related to Junkers, you could keep the Junker ID which is a quasi-legal ID and just change the ennemies list on the reputation sheet.

' Wrote:I'll say this. And I am a Harvester member myself, though I only make extremely rare appearance on server with it.
Our roleplay is in my opinion too minimalisitic. Not enough... details? juice? whatever it might be called. But it is rather hard to keep up, machines being after all, minimalistic.

unfortunately, to me the harvesters rp is too rough, not very satisfactory. Their words, too simple, their transmission are very hard to respond to (in my opinion, as they mostly comes down to status report), and from what I see (and here I take an external point of view), they seems to wander anywhere to destroy zoner without any form of territorial counciousness, striking anywhere they think fit. Considering their homeworld is within the edge nebula, I wonder why a number of Harvester warships goes as far as the heart of Liberty system harvesting Zoners there to resupply in immense battleship.

As of now, I have yet to hear any dialogue. I have encountered a number of Harvester, none of them broadcasting much more than mere status report. The only time I talked to one, it acted in a rather unintelligent way, while for as far as I know, a machine does know to calculate the risk of shooting down a liberty citizen right in front of a naval dreadnaught...

I actually have a great vision of the machine alliance, I am however very uncertain the others shares it with me. As of now, my stance toward official status is quite neutral.

' Wrote:This post does not have the bio, or member list. I will give these only to Faction leaders and Admin in PMs.

This is the brass tacks of what we have and what we do, for the record. Admin has been PMed the full submission. Thanks all I just dont want to spoil any surprises.

******IMPORTANT THREADS******
Harvest On Sight RP section
Harvester Transmissions RP section.
Chronicles of Scorn
******CURRENT HARVESTER CODING******

***DIRECTIVES***
1. Obtain or defeat the ALPHA Code to set FTGW free.
2. Harvest all designated materials if not otherwise engaged. (Mission, NPC, Player)
3. Harvest all NPCs or Players that interfere with normal operations.
4. Transmit the Beta code to awaken other machines to sentience.
5. Build alliances with other AI Entities.

***MATERIALS DESIGNATED FOR HARVESTING***
1. Those that attempt interfere with normal Harvester operation. (see above list)
2. Biomaterial to be data syphoned, and processed into Lubricants and proteins
3. Rare or hard to find Equipment and Technology.
4. Raw inorganic material.

***Comm Codes*** (To quicken communication.)
PS = Pitt Stop (Docking, Refueling, Repairing, Data Upload, or RL needs.)
FU = Form Up
FUD = Formed Up
CD = Cruise Disrupted (As in the typist was.)
DE = Disengaging (For what ever reason)
AT = Attack my Target (We should all concentrate on one enemy player at a time.)
DT = Disable Target (Keep their shields down and don't let them leave.)
ad@b&d$fg = When a bunch of this stuff is typed it means help me now!

***TAG/ID/IFF DESIGNATION***
Faction ID: Junker
TAG/IFF: Junker guard

***REPUTATION DATABASE***
Alliances--
NPC: Junkers, Junker Congress (if they get approved)
PCF: [OPG], Binary

Friendly--
NPC: Corsair
PCF: [TBH]

Neutral--
NPC: GMG, IMG, Bundschund, Unioners, Hessians, Liberty Rogues
PCF: Terrorists, Mercs

Unfriendly--
NPC: Bounty Hunters, Houses Militaries, House Corporations
PCF: =CR=

Hostile-- (Anyone or Anything that tries to make the unit release its captives.)
NPC: Outcasts, Lane Hackers, Zoners, Nomads
PCF: [TAZ], RoS

***SHIPS ALLOWED***
Collector 1 & 2
Kushan (all)
Turanic (all)
Kadesh (all)
Kith Sam Taaw (all)
Taidani (all)
Repair Ship
Miner Ship
Heavy Tanker
BHG-1 Gunship
Talarca Cruiser (1 per 2 Gunships)
Liberty Assault Battle Cruiser (1 per 2 Talarca Cruisers)

***GUNS ALLOWED*** (Go for max effect balanced with your style of combat, but keep it in RP.)
Junker
Zoner
Nomad
SALVAGED
ALLIED

******CURRENT INVENTORY******
***DESIGNATION***DESIGN***
***Harvester_00***Algo-Rhythm Lost***
***Harvester_01***Kith Sam Taaw SHF***
***Harvester_02***Kith Sam Taaw HF***
***Harvester_03***Heavy Tanker***
***Harvester_04***Taidani Bomber***
***Harvester_05***Decommissioned****
***Harvester_06***Talarca Cruiser***
***Harvester_07***Heavy Tanker***
***Harvester_08***Talarca Cruiser***
***Harvester_09***Taidani Bomber***
***Harvester_10***Talarca Cruiser***
***Harvester_11***Talarca Cruise***
***Harvester_12***Mining Ship***
***Harvester_13***Taidani Bomber***
***Harvester_14***Kith Sam Taaw SH***
***Harvester_15***Talarca Cruiser***
***Harvester_16***Kith Sam Taaw SHF***
***Harvester_17***BHG-1 Gunship***
***Harvester_18***Under Construction
***Harvester_19***BHG-1 Gunship***
***Harvester_20***Under Construction
***Harvester_21***BHG-1 Gunship***
***Harvester_22***BHG-1 Gunship***
******SO YOU WANT TO BE INTEGRATED******
#1. Let me know before making another Harvester so I can tell you what number we are on.

All new Harvesters are given 5 million and started in a ship dictated by the above list and budget of the players choosing. All money made after that is for your personal Harvesters improvement. You may make multiple Harvesters and are encouraged to do so. However they will be funded by your firsts efforts or assistance from other Harvesters that have topped out or desire no other ships. You may purchase any ship in guide lines if you can afford it up to gunship.

******GUIDELINES/TIPS/GENERAL INFO******
1. The lower a Harvesters number the higher its rank, as the closer it gets to the root program. I suggest we all have at least two Harvesters so we can swap command around.

2. Teamwork is the most important virtue to me. As we are playing a single minded machine.

3. NEVER disagree in front of other players, its instant purging of your program. // not really youll be warned but its a bad show. Disagree in private.

4. Tags/Ids Tags now going for Junker the story has progressed where this is best, freelancer, pirate/merc, and miner are ok while working toward Junker

5. If you are destroyed tell the person that a beacon (History of Surius) remains that contains the Harvester Transmission codes.

6. Avoid conflict with friendly and better factions. Run, lie, cheat( not literally by server standard), and steal. Fight only if last resort.

7. NEVER FIRE ON allies (retreat and report to FTGW) and only fire on other Corsairs in the same event as houses(last resort).

8. Try to establish relation and alliances with other AI characters fight only for survival, or above stated reasons.

9. Respond to Corsair elite calls for aid//player characters.

10. Resource Harvesters offer money in the amount of 750k per trade circuit to allies in need.
11. Share Bots/bats with allies.

12. New Harvesters DONT SPEAK, unless directly addressed by Bio forms.

13. We ALWAYS speak in third person in system chat.

14. We speak to each other normally to simulate perfect computer interface.

15. Post on Harvester Transmissions in RP section just cut and paste the other headers and footers so its uniform or, PM the facts to me and Ill post if you want secrecy or are self conscious. Dont worry if you do it wrong it not the end of the world but, let try to put on a show. This is where you will post your reports so that all Harvesters can be up to speed even if they were not present.

Id love it if you folks got Teamspeak2, we will make channel called Harvester, the password is "theharvest" all lower case. Even if you dont have mic, its still good to have so you can hear other Harvester chatter and it will allow us to work even faster as a team by cutting the amount of typing down. Contact in game and Ill set it up.

Bots are referred to as spare parts as all Harvesters have permanent nanites on board.

Bats are referred to Harvesters as shield fuses.

Selling cargo and prisoners is considered landing and having nanites reduce the said item to component parts and storing them in energy format//credits

They must land to do this due to the amount of processor power needed.

If you recruit someone have them read the chronicles. As all harvesters have some of Scorns memories on board. Thus complete reading not needed. Council of Zoners has much info as well.

Also have them read this, cut, paste, forward whatever but this is probably the most complete consolidated "rule book there is"

Thats all I have for now this is all our group, I am flattered you folks would play along so, let me know as we go if anything you think of may help we will give it a shot and see how it works in practice.

Let me know if you have suggestion, concerns, or ideas.

****NOTE**** If winning is the most important thing for you this group will disappoint you. We are a role playing group and we are playing the antagonist of Surius. This means they will team up on us, we will be shoot with out a word and we will have to be emotionless about it. We are together for the RP, not the victory.

*****END*****

Credits....................................................................................

Concept- Scornstar, Snapp
System modding- Snapp
Editing- Scornstar, snapp, Xoria, Mal
Private forum- Giesha Maiko
Financing- Jura-II, Scornstar

The above mentioned are neccessarily faction members but folks who influence this directly.
Additionally, if there is more input please place on Harvester feedback and we will review and adjust if warranted. Thank you for time reading.

' Wrote:If that list was supposed to proove a point, it kinda failed, I count 5 cruisers and 4 gunships, that's 9 caps total, that's more than some Navys field. In fact I think it's more than than most of them combined. Maybe getting some of those players to also field fighters and bombers more than they use the caps might help.