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RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Yber - 08-25-2013
(08-19-2013, 11:46 PM)Savas Wrote: In addition to what Thex/Kaz said about diplomacy.
I feel that a Molly complaint over us shooting their base would not matter really that much. The Rogues and VR are practically neighbours and considering we're not trying to cut in or disrupt the cardi trade, slave trade, or other smuggling in Liberty not to mention the buffer we form between Fortaleza and easy access for Lib forces means that having us neutral or friendly is a much better deal than resetting us to simply please the Mollies who are a house away and are only really interested in taking over Dublin and shooting 'Sairs than much else.
"I think" "I believe" "I trust". Rogues aren't VR's neighbours, you want them to be. Your actions against the mollys were done before you even applied, thus, you cannot attempt to modify the impact that it may or may not have had by using your "RP'd" means such as "I has system I has kansas!!!11! i has house militarry powah!". Sure, go modify the lore. The one that is to be written, not what already exists.
That point being made, you still don't state a clear goal. "Ruin Rheinland, get rich" is the clearest thing I could get without reading your worked and infinitely well done roleplay.
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Scenario 1: VR- travels around Liberty. BHG| pops up, hired by Rheinland, and shoots at you. [LN] appears and catches the screen. What do you expect him to do?
a) Engagebug pierat---> Banned4life from Liberty.
b) Ignore pierat---> BHG| mad at Liberty?
c) Assist pierat---> Wat.
d) Be killed when afking by doublenova barghest.
Scenario 2: VR- meets a Bowex) on their way to Rheinland.
a) VR- fullfils it's lore and attacks the evil bowex because they're trying to get to Rheinland---> Bowex reports your actions---> Banned4life from Bretonia?
b) VR- doesn't fullfil it's lore and lets the bowex go----> Breaking your "cannon" RP?
Scenario 3: Rheinland's chancellor or whatever it's spelt like is bored and sends some MND after you. Let's say, 51st. They actually break your entire thing; destroy every ship you field, etc.
a) VR- survives 'cuz they have their own shipyards and are too awesome?
b) VR- is forced to make a peace agreement?
c) VR- ignores the ingame stuff and keeps working like nothing?
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Also, I dislike your "we're absolutely nice people inRL we're not gonna abuse our stuff ofc not" reasoning to justify all of your requests. It's been proven more than once that it's mostly a dirty lie.
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Let's say I make a faction with: Achilies (the real one, not the other fake guy), Tachyon, Why So Serious, Salmin and Sava. Let's call it "Sabrulu". Sabrulu goes around literally killing every single unlawful. Sabrulu also goes around every house in the game whipping all the fleets off. Does that mean that we can RP a massive badass empire right between Liberty and Kusari, that is neutral to all the houses 'cuz they pay Sabrulu not to murder their faces off?
Yes, that's an enhanced example of what the basics of your faction look like to me. Except for the reavering every being in existance and having people who kneels at it part.
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I've not been sarcastic at any point during this speech.
Rofl.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Savas - 08-25-2013
(08-25-2013, 09:23 PM)Yber Wrote: "I think" "I believe" "I trust". Rogues aren't VR's neighbours, you want them to be. Your actions against the mollys were done before you even applied, thus, you cannot attempt to modify the impact that it may or may not have had by using your "RP'd" means such as "I has system I has kansas!!!11! i has house militarry powah!". Sure, go modify the lore. The one that is to be written, not what already exists.
That point being made, you still don't state a clear goal. "Ruin Rheinland, get rich" is the clearest thing I could get without reading your worked and infinitely well done roleplay.
Kk.
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Quote:Scenario 1: VR- travels around Liberty. BHG| pops up, hired by Rheinland, and shoots at you. [LN] appears and catches the screen. What do you expect him to do?
a) Engagebug pierat---> Banned4life from Liberty.
b) Ignore pierat---> BHG| mad at Liberty?
c) Assist pierat---> Wat.
d) Be killed when afking by doublenova barghest.
So what you're saying is that a BHG is going to fulfill a contract for the mortal enemy of Liberty IN Liberty and the Navy wouldn't have a problem with it? I would say try again but I'd rather you don't post again.
Quote:Scenario 2: VR- meets a Bowex) on their way to Rheinland.
a) VR- fullfils it's lore and attacks the evil bowex because they're trying to get to Rheinland---> Bowex reports your actions---> Banned4life from Bretonia?
b) VR- doesn't fullfil it's lore and lets the bowex go----> Breaking your "cannon" RP?
Considering we're at peace with Bretonia, the Bowex would not be shot because it would obviously piss Bret off who will promptly call for our deaths. The only people we pirate in Rhein are Rhein lawfuls and the odd Freelancer.
Quote:Scenario 3: Rheinland's chancellor or whatever it's spelt like is bored and sends some MND after you. Let's say, 51st. They actually break your entire thing; destroy every ship you field, etc.
a) VR- survives 'cuz they have their own shipyards and are too awesome?
b) VR- is forced to make a peace agreement?
c) VR- ignores the ingame stuff and keeps working like nothing?
A little more context please....; a base is being constructed in Kansas under our flag, to so bloodily maim us would requre killing that base. Are you saying that the Chancellor would send the assets required to "break us" (That would mean the already thinly stretched capital fleet of Rhein) all the way to KANSAS while here is an important war to fight against Liberty? Not only would that be preposterous but the LN would likely get involved due to the chance of killing the precious resources of Rheinland, should by some miracle they even get to Kansas. If you meant a snub force only then I don't have to explain how this would fail. Once again please rethink your questions.
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Quote:Also, I dislike your "we're absolutely nice people inRL we're not gonna abuse our stuff ofc not" reasoning to justify all of your requests. It's been proven more than once that it's mostly a dirty lie.
Don't care.
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Quote:Let's say I make a faction with: Achilies (the real one, not the other fake guy), Tachyon, Why So Serious, Salmin and Sava. Let's call it "Sabrulu". Sabrulu goes around literally killing every single unlawful. Sabrulu also goes around every house in the game whipping all the fleets off. Does that mean that we can RP a massive badass empire right between Liberty and Kusari, that is neutral to all the houses 'cuz they pay Sabrulu not to murder their faces off?
Yes, that's an enhanced example of what the basics of your faction look like to me. Except for the reavering every being in existance and having people who kneels at it part.
Good job?
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Quote:I've not been sarcastic at any point during this speech.
Rofl.
Your whimsy knows no end.
I've deduced that you're really only here to ask rhetoric, vent your e-rage, and be a mad Molly, thus nothing we say will convince you that you're wrong about anything ever in the history of man. I'm sure you're sitting in your chair grinning and spamming refresh in anticipation of a rage filled quote box, but this is all you get. Perhaps I'll give you a real answer to your questions when I am by a computer but for now it's fiat.
Please refrain from posting on this thread in the future, thank you for your time.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Yber - 08-25-2013
I made a comment in the latest part of my post. Therefore everything I said is completely biased and must be understood as an attempt of attentionwhoring and a personal attack.
Ok.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Thexare - 08-25-2013
If both sides could stop with the personal attacks for a moment, I've got something to say on the subject.
We have not planned for every eventuality, and we will not answer or respond to any further hypothetical questions. I see a clear attempt to trap us in a box and I do not like it.
We will RP as events dictate. This is what we did in regards to Omega-49. This is why we're no longer on speaking terms with the Mollys. This is a roleplaying server, after all. I have no interest in acting on or responding to OORP grudges.
Of course, you've already said that you won't take our word for it, so why do you ask?
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Savas - 08-25-2013
If you're going to do that, then please feel free to PM me, Thex, or Kaz rather than post your swill on our feedback thread.
Also I subjected myself to the torment of answering your questions. Have fun.
Note: Using a bloody iphone to post, didn't notice Thex' post until I had already submitted.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Yber - 08-25-2013
If you finally get your officialdoom you're gonna have to face some of those situations. My feedback is valid as long as it's taken seriously.
Ofc I'm a biased son of a mother who can't come up with a situation which would possibly show the eternal, big ass loop that you've on your request and that you swear to fix by acting as the events dictate without showing any real answer to my questions.
With all due respect.
I wasn't sarcastic on any of my statements within this post.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Thexare - 08-25-2013
That's nice.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Savas - 08-25-2013
(08-25-2013, 10:20 PM)Yber Wrote: without showing any real answer to my questions.
I actually did answer all your questions, the first and third were simply improbable (The third actually being impossible) requiring no other answer than what I gave and the second would be that we simply don't pirate the Bowex.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Kazinsal - 08-25-2013
(08-25-2013, 09:23 PM)Yber Wrote: Scenario 3: Rheinland's chancellor or whatever it's spelt like is bored and sends some MND after you. Let's say, 51st. They actually break your entire thing; destroy every ship you field, etc.
a) VR- survives 'cuz they have their own shipyards and are too awesome?
b) VR- is forced to make a peace agreement?
c) VR- ignores the ingame stuff and keeps working like nothing?
D) Either Bretonia or Liberty freak the hell out at a rheinland special ops fleet travelling through one or both of those houses and parking right next door to both of them, and promptly send half a dozen Dunkirks/Overlords.
A more likely occurrence, considering the Rheinlanders would have to have the firepower required to knock out a small fleet mainly composed of battletransports, gunboats, and fighters.
(08-25-2013, 09:23 PM)Yber Wrote: Let's say I make a faction with: Achilies (the real one, not the other fake guy), Tachyon, Why So Serious, Salmin and Sava. Let's call it "Sabrulu". Sabrulu goes around literally killing every single unlawful. Sabrulu also goes around every house in the game whipping all the fleets off. Does that mean that we can RP a massive badass empire right between Liberty and Kusari, that is neutral to all the houses 'cuz they pay Sabrulu not to murder their faces off?
Yes, that's an enhanced example of what the basics of your faction look like to me. Except for the reavering every being in existance and having people who kneels at it part.
I've actually seen more exaggerated parodies of the faction before. You missed the quintessential "fueled by tears" line.
RE: Vagrant Raiders (VR-) - Yber - 08-25-2013
I can also edit my posts in order not to look like a moron, also making my faction look really bad.
Thanks for your answers, Thexare and Kazinsal. I'll see if I can come up with any other sticky situation.
Lol.