(05-19-2015, 03:11 PM)Black Widow Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:07 PM)Tal Wrote: tell me how someone is going to make a jumpdrive themselves in FL

I am in my P.O.B

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:07 PM)Tal Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:04 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:02 PM)Tal Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 02:58 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: this is how I see this logic here:

INCOMING RL EXAMPLE

a guy that drank goes to drive a car and crashes into me. Should I sue alcohol and make it weaker as a percentage or should I punish the wrong-doer.

This thread to my understanding supports the suing of the drink . It doesn't deal with the initial problem but tries to fix future problems... Which there still will be loopholes against.

By example as mentioned you could run away before someone catches you on radar.


The solution I see is to either punish the wrong-doer that abuses the tech OR make a admin rule against it.

Such as.... No jumping away in an engagement... Or no coming back after for 4+ hours (yes more than normal)
Etc

without alcohol you probably would never have been hit in the first place

politicians already tried banning alcohol. Didn't work. See my point yet?

but this is a game

removing jumpdrives would do exactly that

tell me how someone is going to make a jumpdrive themselves in FL

removing them will also lead to loosing players since there are other servers WITH them.
You'd just make the population decrease while other servers would prosper.
Or you'd just get a bunch of ppl to leave. Period.

Again... Removing something just because some players abuse it to get nom remains is ridiculous.

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:10 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:02 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 02:58 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: this is how I see this logic here:

INCOMING RL EXAMPLE

a guy that drank goes to drive a car and crashes into me. Should I sue alcohol and make it weaker as a percentage or should I punish the wrong-doer.

This thread to my understanding supports the suing of the drink . It doesn't deal with the initial problem but tries to fix future problems... Which there still will be loopholes against.

By example as mentioned you could run away before someone catches you on radar.


The solution I see is to either punish the wrong-doer that abuses the tech OR make a admin rule against it.

Such as.... No jumping away in an engagement... Or no coming back after for 4+ hours (yes more than normal)
Etc

The guy would still get arrested drunk driving leads to arrest doesn't matter if you sue.

yes because there are RULES AGAINST IT.

you do realize that the server had this type of problem before jump drives and cloaks, right?

miners F1ing in fields as they look on player chat for pirates and see some coming.
Pirates running from cops even before the cops get there.
F1ing in jump gates or jump holes.

The way we fixed these issues is by implementing rules to stop it from happening. Well the last one ... Those 2 other points still exist. How is it different from jumping away ? Yes it is faster but im comparing it to jumping before the players gets to the other player.


My point is: make rules to stop the problem from happening. That is the best quick solution. When the new tech was made by devs, it should have come with its own rules.

People will not follow those rules like ever, also putting limits on that would make it useless since that's all ppl use the JD for, you may as well delete it, it's toxic to RP and to combat. It hurts disco In general rules against it won't solve as much as if you just delete it.

(05-19-2015, 03:15 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:07 PM)Tal Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:04 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:02 PM)Tal Wrote: without alcohol you probably would never have been hit in the first place

politicians already tried banning alcohol. Didn't work. See my point yet?

but this is a game

removing jumpdrives would do exactly that

tell me how someone is going to make a jumpdrive themselves in FL

removing them will also lead to loosing players since there are other servers WITH them.
You'd just make the population decrease while other servers would prosper.
Or you'd just get a bunch of ppl to leave. Period.

Again... Removing something just because some players abuse it to get nom remains is ridiculous.

Oh no losing players like widow and junker congress and all other metagammers oh no!

(05-19-2015, 03:19 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:10 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:02 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 02:58 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: this is how I see this logic here:

INCOMING RL EXAMPLE

a guy that drank goes to drive a car and crashes into me. Should I sue alcohol and make it weaker as a percentage or should I punish the wrong-doer.

This thread to my understanding supports the suing of the drink . It doesn't deal with the initial problem but tries to fix future problems... Which there still will be loopholes against.

By example as mentioned you could run away before someone catches you on radar.


The solution I see is to either punish the wrong-doer that abuses the tech OR make a admin rule against it.

Such as.... No jumping away in an engagement... Or no coming back after for 4+ hours (yes more than normal)
Etc

The guy would still get arrested drunk driving leads to arrest doesn't matter if you sue.

yes because there are RULES AGAINST IT.

you do realize that the server had this type of problem before jump drives and cloaks, right?

miners F1ing in fields as they look on player chat for pirates and see some coming.
Pirates running from cops even before the cops get there.
F1ing in jump gates or jump holes.

The way we fixed these issues is by implementing rules to stop it from happening. Well the last one ... Those 2 other points still exist. How is it different from jumping away ? Yes it is faster but im comparing it to jumping before the players gets to the other player.


My point is: make rules to stop the problem from happening. That is the best quick solution. When the new tech was made by devs, it should have come with its own rules.

People will not follow those rules like ever, also putting limits on that would make it useless since that's all ppl use the JD for, you may as well delete it, it's toxic to RP and to combat. It hurts disco In general rules against it won't solve as much as if you just delete it.

if they dont follow them then they will get sanctioned. Care to qq more?
Back when the server was not an rp server do you think people said the same as you are saying now that no one will rp? OFC THEY DID!

Your reply to the potential solution that HAS WORKED IN THE PAST FOR OTHER EXAMPLES is like... Bad. No.



And to those of you that are complaining that I used a RL example...
1) ever heard of a parable or metaphor to visualize something?
2) the past can teach us a lot about human behavior which is exactly what happens when in a multiplayer game.

I litteraly used an example from reality to show it works. If that is not allowed then I dont have anything to say to you but .... Just no.

(05-19-2015, 03:20 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:15 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:07 PM)Tal Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:04 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: politicians already tried banning alcohol. Didn't work. See my point yet?

but this is a game

removing jumpdrives would do exactly that

tell me how someone is going to make a jumpdrive themselves in FL

removing them will also lead to loosing players since there are other servers WITH them.
You'd just make the population decrease while other servers would prosper.
Or you'd just get a bunch of ppl to leave. Period.

Again... Removing something just because some players abuse it to get nom remains is ridiculous.

Oh no losing players like widow and junker congress and all other metagammers oh no!

explain to me how that reply right there is not toxic?

(05-19-2015, 03:23 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:19 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:10 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:02 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: The guy would still get arrested drunk driving leads to arrest doesn't matter if you sue.

yes because there are RULES AGAINST IT.

you do realize that the server had this type of problem before jump drives and cloaks, right?

miners F1ing in fields as they look on player chat for pirates and see some coming.
Pirates running from cops even before the cops get there.
F1ing in jump gates or jump holes.

The way we fixed these issues is by implementing rules to stop it from happening. Well the last one ... Those 2 other points still exist. How is it different from jumping away ? Yes it is faster but im comparing it to jumping before the players gets to the other player.


My point is: make rules to stop the problem from happening. That is the best quick solution. When the new tech was made by devs, it should have come with its own rules.

People will not follow those rules like ever, also putting limits on that would make it useless since that's all ppl use the JD for, you may as well delete it, it's toxic to RP and to combat. It hurts disco In general rules against it won't solve as much as if you just delete it.

if they dont follow them then they will get sanctioned. Care to qq more?
Back when the server was not an rp server do you think people said the same as you are saying now that no one will rp? OFC THEY DID!

Your reply to the potential solution that HAS WORKED IN THE PAST FOR OTHER EXAMPLES is like... Bad. No.



And to those of you that are complaining that I used a RL example...
1) ever heard of a parable or metaphor to visualize something?
2) the past can teach us a lot about human behavior which is exactly what happens when in a multiplayer game.

I litteraly used an example from reality to show it works. If that is not allowed then I dont have anything to say to you but .... Just no.

A. I'm not QQ I'm not the one using all caps and exclamation points.

B.putting rules on it won't change anything sanctionlancer won't get much larger, if you just delete it it will solve the issue.

(05-19-2015, 03:28 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:20 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:15 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:07 PM)Tal Wrote: but this is a game

removing jumpdrives would do exactly that

tell me how someone is going to make a jumpdrive themselves in FL

removing them will also lead to loosing players since there are other servers WITH them.
You'd just make the population decrease while other servers would prosper.
Or you'd just get a bunch of ppl to leave. Period.

Again... Removing something just because some players abuse it to get nom remains is ridiculous.

Oh no losing players like widow and junker congress and all other metagammers oh no!

explain to me how that reply right there is not toxic?

Because it's the truth, look at the "no confidence" thread or the sanctions against Uh? Can't remember now

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:07 PM)Tal Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:04 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:02 PM)Tal Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 02:58 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: this is how I see this logic here:

INCOMING RL EXAMPLE

a guy that drank goes to drive a car and crashes into me. Should I sue alcohol and make it weaker as a percentage or should I punish the wrong-doer.

This thread to my understanding supports the suing of the drink . It doesn't deal with the initial problem but tries to fix future problems... Which there still will be loopholes against.

By example as mentioned you could run away before someone catches you on radar.


The solution I see is to either punish the wrong-doer that abuses the tech OR make a admin rule against it.

Such as.... No jumping away in an engagement... Or no coming back after for 4+ hours (yes more than normal)
Etc

without alcohol you probably would never have been hit in the first place

politicians already tried banning alcohol. Didn't work. See my point yet?

but this is a game

removing jumpdrives would do exactly that

tell me how someone is going to make a jumpdrive themselves in FL

removing them will also lead to loosing players since there are other servers WITH them.
You'd just make the population decrease while other servers would prosper.
Or you'd just get a bunch of ppl to leave. Period.

Again... Removing something just because some players abuse it to get nom remains is ridiculous.

(05-19-2015, 03:32 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:23 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:19 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:13 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote:

(05-19-2015, 03:10 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: yes because there are RULES AGAINST IT.

you do realize that the server had this type of problem before jump drives and cloaks, right?

miners F1ing in fields as they look on player chat for pirates and see some coming.
Pirates running from cops even before the cops get there.
F1ing in jump gates or jump holes.

The way we fixed these issues is by implementing rules to stop it from happening. Well the last one ... Those 2 other points still exist. How is it different from jumping away ? Yes it is faster but im comparing it to jumping before the players gets to the other player.


My point is: make rules to stop the problem from happening. That is the best quick solution. When the new tech was made by devs, it should have come with its own rules.

People will not follow those rules like ever, also putting limits on that would make it useless since that's all ppl use the JD for, you may as well delete it, it's toxic to RP and to combat. It hurts disco In general rules against it won't solve as much as if you just delete it.

if they dont follow them then they will get sanctioned. Care to qq more?
Back when the server was not an rp server do you think people said the same as you are saying now that no one will rp? OFC THEY DID!

Your reply to the potential solution that HAS WORKED IN THE PAST FOR OTHER EXAMPLES is like... Bad. No.



And to those of you that are complaining that I used a RL example...
1) ever heard of a parable or metaphor to visualize something?
2) the past can teach us a lot about human behavior which is exactly what happens when in a multiplayer game.

I litteraly used an example from reality to show it works. If that is not allowed then I dont have anything to say to you but .... Just no.

A. I'm not QQ I'm not the one using all caps and exclamation points.

B.putting rules on it won't change anything sanctionlancer won't get much larger, if you just delete it it will solve the issue.

so we are not allowed to have fun because some idiots are abusing our toys? Ridiculous solution.

Yea im using the upper case letters to bring attention... You know... Just like people do normaly. Are you that fragile that you think im yelling when I use caps? Please... Spare me.

do you know what rules do anyway? Apparently you dont.
Lets not have any rules on the sever and see what happens then.
For rules about engaging and rp, lets remove IDs and guns.

Lets remove also docking points so you cannot flee in an engagement.

Lets remove being able to talk because people swear.

Lets remove trading because power trading is bad


See what I did? I said lets imagin a world without rules. Look how not fun that would be for our community.