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RE: Docking ring weaponry - Laura C. - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 09:36 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: It at least solves the problem for planets that don't have POBs in their orbit, and it still contributes to toning down the defences as a whole.As far as I understood, this thread is only about capital planets docking rings
(02-29-2016, 04:36 AM)Durandal Wrote:(02-29-2016, 04:30 AM)Impyness Wrote: Also the title says docking ring weaponry, shouldnt it specifically say capital docking ring?
I believe people are able to infer well enough for us not to specify, but yes, that is correct.
So we are talking here about five planets, from which three have POBs on their orbit already. And I swear I will build protecting POB on New Berlin´s orbit myself if I will see it necessary just to even the situation with other capitals from non-dead houses.
So yes, it will solve nothing.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - St.Denis - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 09:34 AM)Laura C. Wrote: Also another note - this will solve nothing if there will be POBs which serve as planetary defence. As far as I remember, currently this applies to Manhattan (Long Island), New Tokyo (Itabashi) and there are even two POBs on the orbit of New London (not sure how armed they are though). So this will solve nothing if there will be POB weapon platforms shooting at hostiles anyway.
The Bretonian Government has made a Ruling that POBs in Orbit of Planet New London will not be allowed to have Weapon Platforms.
As for having the Capitol Planets having strong defences, I think it gives the Traders a sense of being safe (even though it is a false sense, as I have seen Traders destroyed in close proximity of those Planets).
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Lythrilux - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 09:40 AM)Laura C. Wrote:(02-29-2016, 09:36 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: It at least solves the problem for planets that don't have POBs in their orbit, and it still contributes to toning down the defences as a whole.As far as I understood, this thread is only about capital planets docking rings
How is my statement not relevant to that? It all relates to planetary defences.
(02-29-2016, 09:40 AM)Laura C. Wrote: So we are talking here about five planets, from which three have POBs on their orbit already. And I swear I will build protecting POB on New Berlin´s orbit myself if I will see it necessary just to even the situation with other capital from non-dead houses.
So yes, it will solve nothing.
Removed planetary defences = more incentive for unlawfuls to raid = more activity = Rheinland not being a dead house. I'm sure Wesker would agree. Making a PoB out of jealously with the purpose of deterring interactions is kind of sad and detrimental to server gameplay ngl.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Kaghuros - 02-29-2016
There are many reasons as to why Rheinland is a low-activity house, and the missiles around New Berlin are absolutely not one of them. Look more at faction IDs, theme, and war status, and then recall that Rheinland was also populated during a time when docking ring missiles still existed (and a war was on).
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Lythrilux - 02-29-2016
It's not a key factor but removing the defences will make raiding New Berlin a much more attractive prospect, which in turn will lead to more activity.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - SeaFalcon - 02-29-2016
People don't know what OP bases defenses are anymore...
Does anyone recall the Isis?
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Oldum - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 09:54 AM)SeaFalcon Wrote: People don't know what OP bases defenses are anymore...
Does anyone recall the Isis?
That was funny as hell imo
at least I was laughing my ass of when we were trying to run away from it with LSF Guardians xD
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Kaghuros - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 09:53 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: It's not a key factor but removing the defences will make raiding New Berlin a much more attractive prospect, which in turn will lead to more activity.
Everyone keeps saying that, but I just can't see it. What particular thing about having a (barely) safe zone on one planet in the system is stopping you from raiding it? There are so many targets in the New York and California systems, for example. Not just that, but other systems play an important role in commerce and see little unlawful traffic. Stuttgart in Rheinland is an even more important trading post than New Berlin but sees little piracy at all. They have no defenses there, so why is nobody raiding them now?
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Laura C. - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 09:47 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:(02-29-2016, 09:40 AM)Laura C. Wrote:(02-29-2016, 09:36 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: It at least solves the problem for planets that don't have POBs in their orbit, and it still contributes to toning down the defences as a whole.As far as I understood, this thread is only about capital planets docking rings
How is my statement not relevant to that? It all relates to planetary defences.
(02-29-2016, 09:40 AM)Laura C. Wrote: As far as I understood, this thread is ONLY about CAPITAL planets docking rings
(02-29-2016, 09:47 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:Great, so first logical source of activity like interhouse war was killed, and now we are going to save it with means against RP logic under "we need to promote interaction" crusade flag. How great way of solving stuff this is. Maybe we should move some Hessian base right on New Berlin´s orbit and all activity problems will be solved then.(02-29-2016, 09:40 AM)Laura C. Wrote: So we are talking here about five planets, from which three have POBs on their orbit already. And I swear I will build protecting POB on New Berlin´s orbit myself if I will see it necessary just to even the situation with other capital from non-dead houses.
So yes, it will solve nothing.
Removed planetary defences = more incentive for unlawfuls to raid = more activity = Rheinland not being a dead house. I'm sure Wesker would agree. Making a PoB out of jealously with the purpose of deterring interactions is kind of sad and detrimental to server gameplay ngl.
(02-29-2016, 09:52 AM)Kaghuros Wrote: There are many reasons as to why Rheinland is a low-activity house, and the missiles around New Berlin are absolutely not one of them. Look more at faction IDs, theme, and war status, and then recall that Rheinland was also populated during a time when docking ring missiles still existed (and a war was on).This summed it pretty well, +1 man.
Edit:
(02-29-2016, 09:47 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: Removed planetary defences = more incentive for unlawfuls to raid = more activity = Rheinland not being a dead house. I'm sure Wesker would agree.If Hessians don´t raid more just because they can´t camp planet New Berlin, then something is wrong with them in my opinion.
Also I can easily turn it around and say:
Removed Omega-54 defences = more incentive for lawfuls to raid = more activity = Rheinland not being a dead house. Would Wesker agree?
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Char Aznable - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 09:23 AM)Durandal Wrote: The issue here is not that we want to actively encourage the raiding of capital planets.
I think this here pretty much sums it up. You want to break every part of lore, written in infocards or via commons sense, just to "promote interaction." Sorry, but it's not going to change anything. If anything, lawfuls will build more PoBs in front of capital planets instead of relying on NPC station defenses, and next thing is that people will cry for a nerf of PoB platforms.
Can we stop trying to fix every single problem that appears in the game by looking at it from a balance perspective? Let the people work around it. Scourge earlier brought up a quote about most factions that are affected by this, and still have very much enough of "activity". As I brought up multiple times with discussions, there is such a thing as toxic activity. Griefing, ruining other people's fun, et cetera. Remember the video Spazzy posted early in this thread? And that's exactly what this is going to do. You're trying to make it possible for pirates to attack capital home worlds, worlds inhabited by millions, billions of people, and expect to see another day, even get blues. Because this is what this about. Blues.
PvP does not always have to end in a blue. I've said it before and I'll say it again. PvP does not have to end in a blue. We have conn for that. Let people play their roles, retreat and reinforce, etc. This game might be a "space shooter", but the RP should always take precendent over non-gamebreaking gameplay issues. And I think we have established that multiple factions do not have issues with the way the docking rings are defended. Many of those factions and leaders that have posted in here are on the red side of the docking ring. The problem lies somewhere else.