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RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Redeemer - 10-26-2016
(10-26-2016, 11:51 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:Quote:After this, life will be all spams of orgasmic blue and free pirate moneyz and submissive RPs to meh.
Feeling a little dramatic today, do we?
A Disco experience necessary for every player is: make a pirate. Play it for 10 hours. Look at how many blues and how much free money you made, how much submissive rp you got... and how utterly bad and frustrating pirating in Disco is. It will change the way you think and feel about being pirated.
Every time I log on my pirate around liberty I get 1 or 2 successful hits. And I pirate alone. In a Sabre.
To make credits, I've been doing the same Erie-Honshu trade run in my 5k for a year, flying in windowed mode on the side never bothering to check the player list, getting so much cash I dunno what to spend it on. And in a year I've been pirated like 3 or 4 times, 1 or 2 of them successful.
No offense, but if you can't land a robbery, its not the bases that are the problem.
It's that you can't stand the fact that you know right now there are 3 guys that you cant pirate because they're mining near a base. And instead of looking for guys that you CAN pirate, or waiting until those 3 guys finish mining and start hauling so you can ambush them on the way, you focus all your attention on wanting those 3 guys who are in safe spots right now grinding your teeth.
I really hate to piss in your cereal with such troublesome questions, but what exactly do you guys who signed the petition think is going to happen once the bases are destroyed or moved?
Are the people you wish to pirate going to sit there in the same field, without the base, willingly letting themselves get pirated now?
Or are they going to do the next best thing to protect themselves from piracy, such as just check the player list to maneuver themselves through 5 of the 50 equally profitable no-brainer no-effort trade runs which require no teamwork, or even simpler, just play something else cause been there done that in 2007?
Before there were POBs in ore fields, pirates complained about battleships guarding ore fields. And when there were no battleships, they complained about overzealous ganking lawfuls. And when there were no lawfuls, they complained about traders quickdocking. And when they weren't quickdocking, they complained about them silently running away. And when they didn't run away or quickdock, they complained about them hugging Battleship Essex.
As a pirate, you're not going to make even nearly as much money as the guys you're robbing.
You'll also never have domination of the space they choose to mine or trade in.
Piracy isn't about credits or owning space or winning fights against lawfuls, it's about thrills, stealth, speed, and wit.
And there will be times when not every pirate will find a trader or miner who will give him everything he wished for.
Maybe a few other people need to change the way they think.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Black Jack - 10-26-2016
I'm saying no. I've already seen many pirates who just F1 in space in order to catch miners. This is not ok. I don't see any problem in POB that is inside of mining field. BUT i really see problem in POB's near NPC stations that are on trade routes like IMG base in Omega 3. That base should be moved from there and placed somewere else. I can't just fly by in there on any ship.
And if you (IMG) again will say something like: That is our shipyard and this base is for protection, and other **** like that? NO
That base is really pain in ass if u ask me. I don't see any petition about your base moving. Why others should move theirs? Move your base first and then tell everybody else to move theirs. Cheers.
Again - I'm against it.
Let IMG first move their POB from shipyard in Omega 3.
Not first time i see IMG leader saying something about POBs. So dude. Move yours first.
First you placed it near Omega 7 JG in Omega 3. Now near shipyard. Move it in open space finaly. Then talk about others. Look at yourself first.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Jack_Henderson - 10-26-2016
@Black Jack: F1 piracy in any relevant quantities is a myth, created many years ago. Drift mechanics and general practically no-piracy (and literally no piracy for years in Kruger fields) have made this "But F1 piracy!" a myth that some keep bringing up. It's loooooooong gone. Seriously, the threads about F1 piracy that I made because it was an issue were wiped with the forum rollback, so you know how long this has been.
And, please answer me: how is the POB at Aland in O3 a problem? It only shoots you if you are red to IMG (and it does not even do that any more, as I switched it to "only shoot when shot at" mode recently).
There are exactly 4 IDs that are by default red to IMG and that sometimes could be in Omegas: Nomads, Corsairs, Wilde, Pirate ID.
And... if you fly these, Aland would shoot you.
So, as an NPC base would shoot you, just exit the lane and move around it when you are on a hostile ID?
I seriously do not see the problem.
You likely have your ship repped badly and dark red with IMG, but that's your own problem (and not even that is a problem any more, as the base even then will not engage you).
So, where is the problem?
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Black Jack - 10-26-2016
(10-26-2016, 03:08 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: @Black Jack: F1 piracy in any relevant quantities is a myth, created many years ago. Drift mechanics and general practically no-piracy (and literally no piracy for years in Kruger fields) have made this "But F1 piracy!" a myth that some keep bringing up. It's loooooooong gone. Seriously, the threads about F1 piracy that I made because it was an issue were wiped with the forum rollback, so you know how long this has been.
And, please answer me: how is the POB at Aland in O3 a problem? It only shoots you if you are red to IMG (and it does not even do that any more, as I switched it to "only shoot when shot at" mode recently).
There are exactly 4 IDs that are by default red to IMG and that sometimes could be in Omegas: Nomads, Corsairs, Wilde, Pirate ID.
And... if you fly these, Aland would shoot you.
So, as an NPC base would shoot you, just exit the lane and move around it when you are on a hostile ID?
I seriously do not see the problem.
You likely have your ship repped badly and dark red with IMG, but that's your own problem (and not even that is a problem any more, as the base even then will not engage you).
So, where is the problem?
As i sayed. Look at yourself first. Then talk about others. I am Corsair. I am Smuggler. And it shoots me. And your base is onlyest in Sirius that really is painfull. Because it stands on onlyest trade lane. Get rid of it first then start talking about other bases. Cheers.
EDIT: As far as i remember POB's near stations are also against 15k rule. Well maby not against 15k, but it was atleast against 10k rule about it. That POB can't be placed near TL atleast 10k.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Jack_Henderson - 10-26-2016
(10-26-2016, 12:48 PM)Redeemer Wrote: I really hate to piss in your cereal with such troublesome questions, but what exactly do you guys who signed the petition think is going to happen once the bases are destroyed or moved?
We think that we will get a normal game back in which interaction is not denied as easily as it is with POBs and in which gameplay is not harmed permanently by short-sighted, egoistic player choices.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Jack_Henderson - 10-26-2016
(10-26-2016, 03:44 PM)Black Jack Wrote: As i sayed. Look at yourself first. Then talk about others. I am Corsair. I am Smuggler. And it shoots me. And your base is onlyest in Sirius that really is painfull. Because it stands on onlyest trade lane. Get rid of it first then start talking about other bases. CHeers.
Check it out.
It will not shoot you.
Accept facts as facts.
If it really shoots anything at all, "defmod 5" must be broken - which I doubt seriously.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Black Jack - 10-26-2016
(10-26-2016, 03:46 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:(10-26-2016, 12:48 PM)Redeemer Wrote: I really hate to piss in your cereal with such troublesome questions, but what exactly do you guys who signed the petition think is going to happen once the bases are destroyed or moved?
We think that we will get a normal game back in which interaction is not denied as easily as it is with POBs and in which gameplay is not harmed permanently by short-sighted, egoistic player choices.
Normall game won't be back till trolls are here. Remove trolls and normall game will come back. People will come. And what i see wright now is: people are leaving because of some egoistic people who want everything to be how they like it to be.
Also i don't think that POB moving will be very good thing.
And ALSO. You should add people who are against it. Not only those who like that petition. You just making it again unfair. Like troll.
Cheers.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Black Jack - 10-26-2016
(10-25-2016, 06:20 AM)Alley Wrote:(10-24-2016, 11:35 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: We think that area denial bases and hole/gate blocking bases should not have a place in today's Disco any more.
I could get behind this if this petition also prevent POBs from being within 15k of any NPC base.
These are as harmful as mining field POBs.
U got mu FULL support. See IMG? She also dislike your base. So move it somewere else then talk about others.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Shaggy - 10-26-2016
(10-26-2016, 01:56 PM)Black Jack Wrote: I'm saying no. I've already seen many pirates who just F1 in space in order to catch miners. This is not ok. I don't see any problem in POB that is inside of mining field. BUT i really see problem in POB's near NPC stations that are on trade routes like IMG base in Omega 3. That base should be moved from there and placed somewere else. I can't just fly by in there on any ship.
And if you (IMG) again will say something like: That is our shipyard and this base is for protection, and other **** like that? NO
That base is really pain in ass if u ask me. I don't see any petition about your base moving. Why others should move theirs? Move your base first and then tell everybody else to move theirs. Cheers.
Again - I'm against it.
Let IMG first move their POB from shipyard in Omega 3.
Not first time i see IMG leader saying something about POBs. So dude. Move yours first.
First you placed it near Omega 7 JG in Omega 3. Now near shipyard. Move it in open space finaly. Then talk about others. Look at yourself first.
Hi Black Jack, erm just reading through these last few pages and I just found your post hilarious... Let me get to the point.
You say that the IMG PoB is now a problem being near one of there OWN NPC Stations/Shipyards, this is not a real problem, if you want it to be problem then the 1IC Jack would have left it at Omega 7/3 jumpgate where the weapon platforms went around the jumpgate and caused problems to literally everyone. The locate of it makes more sense were it is now, yes it still has weapon platforms but it now has two bases to defend not just one. It is defending the PoB but also a Shipyard. If you are hostile to the base then you are using 30 seconds more of your time to avoid fire. Not that much of a problem, I understand it is annoying but still it is not a problem.
Now you are saying that he should move it again? But where it is now is not violating any server rules, not only that but it is next to the same affiliation/IFF base which is IMG. It makes sense being there so stop.
Now let me go to this F1 piracy thing... If you F1 a ship in space then I believe it is every 30 minutes or 1 hour it moves 10k (something like this) so say I F1'd a gunboat in that field and was player list watching I would log it back in as I saw a miner in that location, I believe it would be under the plain. It wont be in the same location, so this argument is invalid and void and makes no sense. Especially considering the Kruger PoB Core 5 in Omega 7 has 6+ weapon platforms, and is in the dead center of the mine field, not only this but every time a miner or trader that HAS docking rights to the base see's a red on there scanner they will immediately dock and log something that will win against that red contact. I have seen it several times when I was a Benitez (Corsair) or on my RHA or even better when I was a Kruger| member when I first started on this server. I have seen it all and your argument again is invalid.
Then Jack replies to you and you replied back with this....
Quote:As i sayed. Look at yourself first. Then talk about others. I am Corsair. I am Smuggler. And it shoots me. And your base is onlyest in Sirius that really is painfull. Because it stands on onlyest trade lane. Get rid of it first then start talking about other bases. Cheers.
Let me get this straight, you are complaining that an IMG PoB shoots you because you are a Corsair or Smuggler? Right well Corsairs are infact hostile to IMG not only that but Smugglers don't help. Smugglers are quasi lawful and IMG sometimes don't like them. Just request "Docking access" to the base, pay the fees and it wont shoot you anymore? Where is the problem with this. As a pirate/smuggler you wouldn't want to be using lanes anyway purely because what if a police or military pilot is at the end of that lane, will stop you and probably demand your cargo and credits from you so.
You then go on about...
Quote:Normall game won't be back till trolls are here. Remove trolls and normall game will come back. People will come. And what i see wright now is: people are leaving because of some egoistic people who want everything to be how they like it to be.
Also i don't think that POB moving will be very good thing.
And ALSO. You should add people who are against it. Not only those who like that petition. You just making it again unfair. Like troll. Big Grin
Cheers.
Removing trolls and people who cause harm to this game and server, the admins have tried this before and it didn't work out too well. Moving PoB's that are BREAKING SERVER RULES should be moved from there location. There is one PoB that I am aware of which is doing this right now. Jack Henderson is infact not a troll, he is too Teacher-like to troll unless he "Trolls" with his Shishapanmga Transporter but that is another story.
Quote:U got mu FULL support. See IMG? She also dislike your base. So move it somewere else then talk about others.
Yes Alley dislikes alot of things, this is just her/him. But the IMG Base is next to an IMG NPC Base, there isn't a massive problem here. There are several ways for this to be fixed and I will list them;
1) Move all PoB's from Mining Fields, Jumpgates, Jumpholes 15k away from each.
2) RESTRICT weapon platforms on each PoB so for example, (core 1: 0 weapon platforms, Core 2: 1 weapon platforms, Core 3: 2 weapon platforms, Core 4: 3 Weapon platforms, Core 5: 4 weapon platforms) Doing this will keep things more "Fair"
3) Remove PoBs from the mod
4) Give everyone the same set of rules, so each pob can be WITHIN a mining field, jumpgate, or jumphole at core 5 with the same weapon amount (if they wish)
5) Don't let 1 faction be different from the rules and everyone else has to abide by them
I am sure there is a larger list but this is what I can think of at the moment.
RE: Open Petition to the Admins: POBs - Danny-boy - 10-26-2016
@Black Jack Please stop trying to derail this thread by trying to start a flame war with Jack. The point of this thread is to either sign the petition or debate the petition, not to flame IMG members because you dislike Falster and the IMG leadership.