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RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - Amba - 05-11-2025
I leave cause Mollys were supposedly overlogged and then this shit happens. lol, lmao even
RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - JadeTornado - 05-11-2025
(05-11-2025, 12:36 AM)Amba Wrote: I leave cause Mollys were supposedly overlogged and then this shit happens. lol, lmao even
Same story but different. I logged 9 minutes into the event to see poor BAF|HMS-Hellbound with a couple of snubs dying, no one else around. In 1.5 hour we kill em all, kek
RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - HonourWolf - 05-11-2025
(05-11-2025, 12:02 AM)Barrier Wrote:(05-10-2025, 11:52 PM)L1ght Wrote: Telling one side to move while another continues engaging, giving infinite respawns instead of literally pming people to switch, but hey I guess us pvpers leaving after we noticed that the fight is being micro managed instead of letting it evolve organically gave Barrier the BAF win that he wanted ( which he could've just gotten either way if he pmed us but you know). As I said if you're going to micro manage a fight to sway the snowball to the other side, simply state it so we don't waste time logging in. I'd rather play minecraft than engage in predetermined pvp fights and I already know I'm not the only one feeling that way.
This just goes to show that no matter how much objective consideration or critical thinking you are doing, when you're on the losing side of a fight, your opinion becomes unreasonably biased. Remember, I respawned anyone currently dead on the Molly side before the last engage. The last engage then turned out to be a snowball where the smaller side won - it happens. But from this sequence of events, you instead take the unshakable conviction that the whole point was to rig the situation in the BAF side's favor. Ok.
If you aren't interested in being convinced by hard data, I have no other way of supporting my argument. So I suppose you can do what you will, since clearly anything I say about the matter is irrelevant. That goes for anyone else who clings to this opinion after the above summary. I try my best to explain why I did what I did, but if you won't listen, there isn't much I can do here. I'll just continue ensuring events have as many players on each side as possible.
What you did to push an event's outcome is your prerogative.
The way you did it was the problem.
You only allowed Mollys to respawn after you got called out for letting the travesty of calling people to withdraw from the Somerset WHILE allowing lawful players to continue piling up on the people who were still near it. If you are going to do that in the future, you call for a full ceasefire, watch everyone go to their respective sides, then resume the fight. Artificially telling people to do so is already OORP, just facilitate the call better instead of tossing it while everyone is in the middle of a fight and expecting them to read your messages. Bastille anyone still shooting if you have to and actually reset sides.
Secondly, this keeps happening in your events. If you foresee having to change respawn timers fast or giving infinite respawns, you need to figure out if a spawn 10-20k away feels fun to fight in or against. Also figure out if you can put restocks and regens on spawned pob entities used as dynamic bases and test them beforehand.
Lastly, from what I mentioned in the first paragraph, if you want people to listen, don't make calls that affect the outcome while everyone is in a fight, in the heat of the moment. If you want to talk to people, pull both sides apart, explain it, equalize it, continue.
For the record you have bastilled me before during an event due to a NAME out of everything. You're not a moderator, not an administrator. You facilitate the events. Don't take on jobs you are not meant to do and don't do it when someone is about to get killed and bastilling them denies an event kill.
What you need to do is be there for events. Either freeze or stop the events if things are getting too dicey and explain what you want from both sides so they can continue to play nice.
RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - Nika - 05-11-2025
(05-11-2025, 12:43 AM)JadeTornado Wrote:(05-11-2025, 12:36 AM)Amba Wrote: I leave cause Mollys were supposedly overlogged and then this shit happens. lol, lmao even
Same story but different. I logged 9 minutes into the event to see poor BAF|HMS-Hellbound with a couple of snubs dying, no one else around. In 1.5 hour we kill em all, kek
That's because, from my firsthand knowledge, BAF planned to gather at a very specific time and while they kind of ceded a good chunk of their objectives for that (basically, all the 4D objectives and 5E battlecruiser), but the 5E siege was already happening over the course of the main fight.
While I'm strongly of the opinion both sides deserve to have fun it is really a matter of gentleman's agreement between sides and, to an extent, staff intervention. If you're going to regulate a fight, regulate it to the end and not just to favor the supposedly losing side. Or don't at all. But take all this as my subjective opinion and with a grain of salt I guess. If one side engages preemptively or can not gather to a notification with a specific time given several hours in advance and even then it takes them an extended period of time to gather. That is, not to mention, that the first fight was initiated by the lawful side so they probably considered their force sufficient.
Or assumed they couldn't muster better numbers.
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[10.05.2025 18:01:38] RPA|PRW-Belfast: Blyat.This is when I first logged for the event. (Please bear with my first message, I got stuck in Arranmore snub docking point in a cruiser and it ate half my shield before I could type in the command.)
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[10.05.2025 18:08:31] CV-Lindwurm has set BAF|HMS-Hellbound as group target.The time of the first engagement at 4D. Hellbound and 2-3 snub escorts versus whatever force we had at the time.
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[10.05.2025 19:03:25] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: Captain? What do you want me to do with this intruder ship?Hellbound is trying to collapse on Molly objectives, some snub escorts with it again. Hunters this time. Took down all gunboats and substantially scratched the Scylla.
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[10.05.2025 19:49:00] TFP)-Bellamy.Crowe: Freud, Saoirse, let's fall in around With.
[10.05.2025 19:49:00] Target group size: 17 (17 in space)
[10.05.2025 19:49:00] Your group size: 23 (23 in space)Rough timing when the fight reached 5E objectives.
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[10.05.2025 20:01:47] Base Battlecruiser Adlington destroyedThe roughly estimated time and odds at the start of the second engagement that has begun at 6D and have drawn out towards 5E BAF objectives, and gradually the Somerset. Lawfuls chose to come at us, so in my humble opinion, they've only themselves to look at for picking a losing fight with a substantially cruiser-heavier and I imagine more well-rounded force.
We may have overstepped a bit with proximity to Somerset, but I honestly to god tried to call for that, as well as some other people, can't reasonably leash and tug on 20+ players at the same time. Our retreat was a bit of a hot mess too.
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[10.05.2025 20:12:31] RPA|PRW-Belfast: back off from Somerset
[10.05.2025 20:12:36] RPA|PRW-Belfast: 10k from Somerset everyone
[10.05.2025 20:14:23] RPA|PRW-Belfast: Restock and repair if you need, then joint up with formation.
[10.05.2025 20:14:45] RPA|PRW-Belfast: Remember to stay 10k away from Somerset.
[10.05.2025 20:16:11] [OOC] CPW-Abha: remember to try and maintain distance from SomersetTrimmed the logs a bit to include only the essential stuff.
This is when we've retreated to our objectives, and from there I can not tell what happened, called it a day.
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[10.05.2025 20:19:57] 2025-05-10 20:19:58 SMT Traffic control alert: RPA|PRW-Belfast has dockedRE: [Official Event] Even Chance - Enko - 05-11-2025
(05-11-2025, 05:58 AM)Nika Wrote: Lawfuls chose to come at us, so in my humble opinion, they've only themselves to look at for picking a losing fight with a substantially cruiser-heavier and I imagine more well-rounded force.
I do find this utterly insane, on the first day of this event a few people couldn't come, others didn't want to come because of the 4 day siege and then other people who did want to go saw a wall of 20+ Molly ships, knowing that they wouldn't have enough to face it and opted not to go at all, aside a few brave people who went in in a group of I believe 2 ships on the first day.
Since then the Molly side were complaining to no end how spoiled and bad the Bretonian Lawful playerbase is because overall mostly nobody showed up. After that, through encouragement from various people who wanted this event not to be a total flop and get to actually do things we made a substancial effort to get something going enough to go.
Despite that we had lawful logs swap sides to the Molly side because they couldn't play their favourite ships, and people still adding to the Molly side despite the unbalanced numbers, we pushed in anyway and tried. If it was not for the respawns added during the fight then it would've been over at the start, giving the event a rather short timespan where Bretonian ships just went in to basically die. The second fight didn't even use respawns, mind you, but wouldn't have happened in the first place if everyone got pasted and are quite unlikely to go for another round.
So if the answer is, the Lawful side did it to itself and nothing should've been done, then why bother at all? Would've ended up not trying, no event battle at all and then people continue to complain that Bretonian Lawfuls are not showing up. You can't have it both ways, and I really do not see why it was insane to not want the event to go that way.
What is it you actually want?
You don't want to have no fights.
You don't want to balance the sides.
You don't want to have event balancing to make up for both of the above.
Is all you want to destroy some ships effortlessly then call a victory?
RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - R.P.Curator - 05-11-2025
Here's something crazy:
- Restrict participation to Bombers and Above - that means no LF, HF, VHF shenanigans. I don't care for your "I want to fly that ship". I'm not spending 30 minutes chasing a LF. Go troll somewhere else or seek professional therapy. Fight is fight, Infinite Respawns + Points for everyone! Kill or Die! Not shenanigans. Do that in the rest of the time.
- DO NOT HAVE A PRE-DETERMINED OUTCOME! Nobody likes that. Its you organizing an event, working, having people log and give their time for something that you have already decided how its going to be. It a waste of resources.
- Entice the community to balance - skill and numbers (YES ACESTACKING IS STILL DISCO 101). "Entice" is a metaphor for "ask Haste to force push for skill / number balance."
- Entice the community to participate by:
> Molly Win: increase mining bonus for Molly on Gold in Dublin, Increase smelting bonus on PoB, Decrease Smelting resource cost, Decreased purchase price from Arranmore / PoBs; Increase Credit Gain for gold for Molly Allies (RH, Coalition, Rogues) on their sell points (If you buy from Dublin and sell on RH / Coalition / Rogues / etc. base, you get more Credits); Decrease in Gold cost of all PoB crafted equipment on Molly + Allies Bases (excluding Neutral factions)
> Same scenario for BMM / BMF
> For any neutral factions that want to be involved in this, PREREQUIREMENT of EXISTING RP + Approved Involvement based or RP and solid reasons. There's nothing more solid than a Gold Bar.
> Have other factions that have ZoI and Interest there involved (In this case, Corsairs; Outcasts; Core; Order), with same Bonuses in case of victory AND same requirements as "neutral" factions.
This all means more work but its doable and most of all feasible, code-wise.
This template can be used for future events.
You should also rework the crafting bonuses for various factions in PoBs, but I'll touch that later. I need to do some reading on this.
RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - HonourWolf - 05-11-2025
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RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - R.P.Curator - 05-11-2025
(05-11-2025, 09:18 AM)HonourWolf Wrote:(05-11-2025, 09:10 AM)R.P.Curator Wrote: Here's something crazy:
- Restrict participation to Bombers and Above - that means no LF, HF, VHF shenanigans. I don't care for your "I want to fly that ship". I'm not spending 30 minutes chasing a LF. Go troll somewhere else or seek professional therapy. Fight is fight, Infinite Respawns + Points for everyone! Kill or Die! Not shenanigans. Do that in the rest of the time.
- DO NOT HAVE A PRE-DETERMINED OUTCOME! Nobody likes that. Its you organizing an event, working, having people log and give their time for something that you have already decided how its going to be. It a waste of resources.
- Entice the community to balance - skill and numbers (YES ACESTACKING IS STILL DISCO 101). "Entice" is a metaphor for "ask Haste to force push for skill / number balance."
- Entice the community to participate by:
> Molly Win: increase mining bonus for Molly on Gold in Dublin, Increase smelting bonus on PoB, Decrease Smelting resource cost, Decreased purchase price from Arranmore / PoBs; Increase Credit Gain for gold for Molly Allies (RH, Coalition, Rogues) on their sell points (If you buy from Dublin and sell on RH / Coalition / Rogues / etc. base, you get more Credits); Decrease in Gold cost of all PoB crafted equipment on Molly + Allies Bases (excluding Neutral factions)
> Same scenario for BMM / BMF
> For any neutral factions that want to be involved in this, PREREQUIREMENT of EXISTING RP + Approved Involvement based or RP and solid reasons. There's nothing more solid than a Gold Bar.
> Have other factions that have ZoI and Interest there involved (In this case, Corsairs; Outcasts; Core; Order), with same Bonuses in case of victory AND same requirements as "neutral" factions.
This all means more work but its doable and most of all feasible, code-wise.
This template can be used for future events.
You should also rework the crafting bonuses for various factions in PoBs, but I'll touch that later. I need to do some reading on this.
You should also make sure to check for people who run with old gunboat batt/bot counts.
Discovery Answer: That's not my problem. Talk to the Balance team.
Constructive answer: Thank you for notifying everyone that you're part of the LF Troll squad. Since that GB was notified of its extra bots / bats, I do recall it retreated to Arranmore and logged off. Something the LF didn't do until chased off. So the trolling continues.
Out of all the 40 players involved, 90% decided to play nice and bring ships that aren't troll ships.
10% decided to troll. In a community that struggles with toxicity, it wasn't some newbies or randos that trolled in a 40+ players event. It was veterans and aces.
That in itself speaks volumes. The staff and community are actively trying to stop toxicity and trolling of events so everyone can have fun. But Aces and Veterans decided against that.
The staff knows who you are. The staff can take action. Their refusal to do so only maintains the Toxic status quo and gives them more work and head aches, as well as a continual of negative impact on the community.
This is the constructive feedback.
RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - TheSauron - 05-11-2025
Here's something crazy:
- Restrict participation to Gunboats and Below - that means no CR, BC, BS shenanigans. I don't care for your "I want to fly that ship". I'm not spending 30 minutes kiting a BS. Go troll somewhere else or seek professional therapy.
RE: [Official Event] Even Chance - R.P.Curator - 05-11-2025
(05-11-2025, 10:14 AM)TheSauron Wrote: Here's something crazy:
- Restrict participation to Gunboats and Below - that means no CR, BC, BS shenanigans. I don't care for your "I want to fly that ship". I'm not spending 30 minutes kiting a BS. Go troll somewhere else or seek professional therapy.
Nice cherry picking. Very constructive feedback. Thank for your valuable input.
Seek professional therapy.