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Battleships- a solution - frozen - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:>>yessir. i fail to see a simpler outcome because this is the internet, and here anyone can be (and most are) as arrogant, rude, bashful, ignorant, egotistical or anything else they wish, since arguing over an internet forum has no real life consequence. You are one person amongst many. im taking the majority into consideration. I agree that if there are too many people ignoring the standards and the netiquette, then consequences must follow. Yet, consider the minority as well. Even though I dislike self quoting in public... I cannot help it this time;
let me explain. it is due to the minority of people like you that im still playing freelancer, that im still a part of the disco community, that im still working on various mod-works for the community. for those who have the sense and courtesy to give the same amount of respect and space to other people as they would in real life, i have alot of respect for, and more than look forward to playing with, even though its a rare thing. either way, time to head to bed. night.
Battleships- a solution - tansytansey - 09-03-2009
No, I don't believe restricting Battleships by rules is a good idea. The Admins should let us Roleplay these situtions out. And it shouldn't just be for Battleships either, as a Liberty Rogue I'd like to have at least some control about how Rogue Dessies are used in Liberty.
Factions should also not be able to stop the purchase of Battleships, either. But people who misuse them should have them removed, or at least grounded.
Battleships- a solution - jimmy Patterson - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:I vote for number two.wrong from a tactical perspective in this case the BC is more flexable the seige cruiser is severly limited (low number og turrets ie same as gunboat and that guns allmost unuseable) you build more of what you will use rather then whats smaller(uless you cant support the needed ships of the larger class)
But apply that at least to both BSs and BCs.
Yup the order carrier is spammed, but the LABC is too.
It make no sense that there are more LABCs out there than there are liberty siege cruisers.
edit if this is a BY RULES restriction then im changeing my vote as more rules wil lonly cripple the comunity more
and also nighthawk
consider your point /SIGNED
Battleships- a solution - Shagohad - 09-03-2009
Can we stop these restriction polls? They are unfair. We shouldn't have to give in our ships because some other idiots ruin it for us.
If they are restricted, I'm quitting the mod.
Battleships- a solution - jimmy Patterson - 09-03-2009
hence why i demand that if there restricted you let (like some factions)grandfathered roleplayed battleships stay
Battleships- a solution - Rudo - 09-03-2009
Less restrictions, more player guidance of the uneducated. The abusive should just be dealt with by admins if no solution can otherwise be reached.
No more freakin' rules, please.
Battleships- a solution - Bauer - 09-03-2009
I voted for number 4. This still gives everyone a chance to fly a battleship, but if they act like an idiot in it, the official faction can petition for it to be removed. Everyone should be able to fly what they want independently, but if they are an idiot in one, then it should be taken away from them.
Less rules and restrictions, more fun.
Battleships- a solution - NonSequitor - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:"no", cause the mod is about the freedom of choice and to shape the roleplay regardless of a restriction of ships.
when someone can restrict me from a ship - he can also restrict me from a roleplay i wish to play. - who knows if someone is a good roleplayer as a battleship captain but a lousy one as a bomberpilot. - but we wouldn t find out if we locked out one of the options at the start.
so far, the community has not proved itself to be capable of being objective and fair to everyone - and i don t see that happen in the future. - bias and favourism, popularity and jumping the bandwaggon are common behaviours. - thats nothing particularly bad - ... its just what usually happens.
but unless we have a FAIR and objective group to judge over the deserving and the undeserving, i d always vote for "no".
so far, factions even failed to offer transparency in their decisions - leaving more questions asked than questions answered.
as a matter of fact - such a restriction is the very same as to say:
" give factions the supernova cannon - and leave the nova torpedo to non-factionized .... but for approved and really nice non-factionized, there are a few supernovas in stock "
would we do that? - or only cause we fear the "actually non existant" cap-spam. ( there are many caps - but the term "too many" is subjective )
Jinx beat me to it. On all points. A big "no" from me.
Battleships- a solution - Eternal - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:No, I don't believe restricting Battleships by rules is a good idea. The Admins should let us Roleplay these situtions out. And it shouldn't just be for Battleships either, as a Liberty Rogue I'd like to have at least some control about how Rogue Dessies are used in Liberty.
Factions should also not be able to stop the purchase of Battleships, either. But people who misuse them should have them removed, or at least grounded.
The problem is that this is something we simply cannot RP. In reality , no two opposing factions will ask each other to reduce the power of any one ship , just because they are having problems when fighting against it.
Battleships have been , for as long as I can remember and from what I've heard , even longer then that , a laughable matter when it comes down to actual performance , fear factor , rarity factor and RP factor.
This proposal is a big change of things , however people must allow change to take place in order for things to improve. If we sit still , complaining about this and that , without giving the developers , power to actually influence things and change a part of the system , then nothing really happens , nothing ever changes. Change is , at first scary , but when you think about it , it is the only way to move the server and the community relations - one step further along the path of development and progress.
I voted for option number 2. I believe that the majority of players will never be able , at least at this point , completely trust the faction leaders. Although , I know it , all of us wish for nothing else but the best for our server and the people who chose to play under our factions , there is simply too much disbelieve at this point for complete faction dominance over Battleships.
Because of that , I propose that the factions and people who have proven themselves in one of these ships be granted the right to operate with them and continue their respective RP.
Don't get me wrong , I too have a Battleship and I am an independent Order player. This example proves that you don't have to be in the faction in order to receive respect and a leaders position. And I too plan , if this get's approved , to write a statement towards the official faction and ask for the right to continue flying my ship.
Eternal
Battleships- a solution - Exsiled_one - 09-03-2009
I must say that I've read few arguments of people that have went with opinion number 3 and one thing seems to stick out.
"me", "i", "my roleplay" "my things".. pattern is obvious. While you focus on yourself in this discussion, many others do indeed focus on... well, pretty much the same.
But to be honest with you, you need to look at the bigger picture. For every roleplayer in his battleship, come 6 of those that don't. And the ships that are biggest in game should not "simply" fall in their hands.
It is a restriction apparently, yes it is, but it is also an general guidance of where do mods see things going in future.
Factions need to be encouraged, and players need to be encouraged to roleplay and group with rest of community. For what better way is there to teach the inexperienced to roleplay? Give them a chance to be in faction and make them work for it.
If you are an excellent roleplayer, trust me, noone will take your ship away, and you'll know exactly what to do in this situation. But current number of capships around and constant ignoring of smaller class vessels tends to create even more barriers between capital ship flyers and fighter class flyers. All people in that "bomber nerf" thread are there screaming how it is bad, but situation would be different if they tried them on for a size.
Maybe all the lol will disappear when everyone gets this big requirement over their head that says "work for your bs"
I heard people mention reaching "endgame" status. Well it seems that when this goes trough, path will be harder and reward will be bigger.