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The situation in Omega-7 - Stuart.croll - 04-28-2011
' Wrote:If indie whiners don't like it, they can stay as useless observers as they always do.
Just like they have the right to engage in private (And often hilarious) RP, factions have the right to engage in RP of their own. All the more in this particular case because the previous admin ruling on a similar matter prevented the IMG officials from prosecuting their own indies who went openly hostile against Rhineland corporations.
Seems to me that OFs whine longer and certainly louder.
The situation in Omega-7 - Toaster - 04-28-2011
' Wrote:The role of game master has more or less been pushed onto the faction leaders (faction responsibility to generate roleplay). I'll admit I'd rather have the admins maintaining some control over matters, but they've decided not to. So as faction leads we'll do what we can to try and keep things interesting. If that means going pewpew for a while - so be it. It's a space shooter after all;)
This conflict, again, won't last. A couple of weeks tops, then a new status quo will be hammered out. Consider it an event that isn't being played out on the event server?
And Franklin: If IMG is on your to-join list, feel free to post an app in our recruitment topic. We don't have high demands of folks - just that they can roleplay and are respectful of others (even when that kind of respect isn't returned).
I doubt this conflict will keep going for more than... 1.5 weeks. People'll get bored. So, it'll maybe be around longer, but the action and exhileration will be gone.
Also, I will join as soon as I've gotten a Pytho from teh almighty forumz. Defense wing FTW (ci)
The situation in Omega-7 - Sturmwind - 04-28-2011
' Wrote:I doubt you'd welcome it. You'd merely state I am wrong, when in fact I can't be wrong because it is my opinion against your opinion. As for the second part; while I can find myself agreeing with you about it, I'd like to point out that using that as justification for your own nonsensical acts is rather childish.
Please don't act like you can predict my reactions without even knowing me, thank you.
Also, I used such a 'childish' justification since you claimed that 4.86 would bring changes that make more sense than the scenario we devised. I was simply saying that the majority of the Rheinland players don't agree with you in that regard, which is why I was requesting your opinion.
In no way did I ever say you were wrong, re-read my posts. I was simply intending to know your reasons for your standpoint.
' Wrote:what is considered role play on this server only exists to give PvP some form of depth.
What's your definition of role play then? I'm really curious now.
The situation in Omega-7 - Cond0r - 04-28-2011
' Wrote:What's your definition of role play then? I'm really curious now.As am I. If he could elaborate that in a way that makes sense, I would me more than interested to see it.
The situation in Omega-7 - Rodent - 04-28-2011
The Kruger faction's in, for all the good it'll do. We're certainly back-seaters in this one though while the titans duke it out.
The situation in Omega-7 - Daedric - 04-29-2011
' Wrote:Very interesting... and childish opinion, Dedric. You seem to think that what it's done in Omega-7 right now it's not role play. Allow me to state the opposite. It is exactly that! All the major parties involved agreed on it. The stage is set, the performers know their roles and the spectacle is rolling. If this isn't RP, I don't know what it is. And because this is a space simulation and even transports have guns on them, guess what: Role Play results in shooting others most of the time.
Some time ago, there were some complains that the economy of Disco is too static. Now that we have dynamic politics, it's not good?
Oh and, I see you have lots of complains about this "non-RP" server. The log out button is somewhere around. Also you can delete your chars if you want. There's a delete button.
*laughs* So because you don't agree with my opinion its childish? I guess that speaks volumes about your maturity level. I never once said it wasn't role play. So long as someone is fulfilling their given role, without power gaming their opponent it is some form of role play. My opinion is that, the conflict itself is nonsensical for reasons I don't need to explain, because it is my opinion.
As for people shooting each other, do read the last sentence in my post and try to understand it. You go from talking about complaints about a static economy to saying we now have a dynamic political scene; not sure what your point was with that. Seeing as we've always have a dynamic political scene and the economy is more or less static.
Thanks for telling me there is a log out button, I didn't know that. Can you tell me where it is? I'm stuck on the server and I can't get off, been like this for a few months now. *laughs*
' Wrote:I actually love these bursts of inter-faction RP that are beginning to pop out of the ground. They are making me join the factions involved... and that's what the factions want, right?
I wished there were no set background plots made by the devs (who wants Gallia anyway?). Instead, it should really be an open universe where the players really form the plot.
Want to declare war on a house which has repeatedly sent military vessels into your territory? But can't because of a silly fixed background plot that makes you eternal allies? Sucks.
So yeah, I personally approve of this conflict and any others (as long as they make sense inRP).
PS @ Daedric: If you dont like the conflict-RP, dont go down to the Omegas for a week or two. Simple as that.
What you have expressed a desire for isn't a role play environment. It is a sandbox, which only further proves my point. As for staying out of the Omegas, I highly doubt this conflict would even bother any of my characters past giving one of them more people to shoot.
' Wrote:The role of game master has more or less been pushed onto the faction leaders (faction responsibility to generate roleplay). I'll admit I'd rather have the admins maintaining some control over matters, but they've decided not to. So as faction leads we'll do what we can to try and keep things interesting. If that means going pewpew for a while - so be it. It's a space shooter after all;)
This conflict, again, won't last. A couple of weeks tops, then a new status quo will be hammered out. Consider it an event that isn't being played out on the event server?
And Franklin: If IMG is on your to-join list, feel free to post an app in our recruitment topic. We don't have high demands of folks - just that they can roleplay and are respectful of others (even when that kind of respect isn't returned).
Yes, I am quite aware of that. The problem with that is that, faction leaders don't perform that role as they should nor do they have the tools to do so correctly. Bias plays into it also. As I said previously, at its heart Disco is a PvP game, this server merely requires some form of role play before said PvP starts to give it some depth.
As I said before, I understand the reason for it and all involved should have fun, as that is the point of the game. Doesn't change my opinion it is nonsensical.
' Wrote:Please don't act like you can predict my reactions without even knowing me, thank you.
Also, I used such a 'childish' justification since you claimed that 4.86 would bring changes that make more sense than the scenario we devised. I was simply saying that the majority of the Rheinland players don't agree with you in that regard, which is why I was requesting your opinion.
In no way did I ever say you were wrong, re-read my posts. I was simply intending to know your reasons for your standpoint.
What's your definition of role play then? I'm really curious now.
I've seen your reactions to other things on the forums, while I may not personally know you, I do have some knowledge of your view point on the matter. I never claimed that 4.86 would bring changes that made more sense. I said 4.86 should arrive so that people don't grow bored and create nonsensical role play to try to keep their faction active, as many many factions have had to resort to doing due to 4.86's long development time.
I never said you said I was wrong. I merely made the point if I explained my opinion, you'd likely disagree with it and I honestly don't care if you disagree with it; its my opinion. So there really isn't a point in explaining it.
My definition of role play? Go play a pen and paper RPG, one where you as the player are required to play within the environment set forth by a game master. That is, one that is regulated and dynamic. Something that this server will never have due to that requiring admins or game masters who actively regulate and change the environment in regards to on going role play.
Of course, as I've said before; my opinion is my opinion. It won't have an impact on this event, but I am free to voice it. Just as you are free to voice yours. If you really want me to explain my opinion to you, Major, I'll hit you up via Skype or a PM.
The situation in Omega-7 - AeternusDoleo - 04-29-2011
Quick question, reading the above. If you are not agreeing with the type of RP that is being done on Discovery (not just the Omegas) - why are you here? Plenty of nonsense to go around but remember people are just trying to have fun in a loose framework.
The situation in Omega-7 - DarthBindo - 04-29-2011
' Wrote:Quick question, reading the above. If you are not agreeing with the type of RP that is being done on Discovery (not just the Omegas) - why are you here? Plenty of nonsense to go around but remember people are just trying to have fun in a loose framework.Next time you make a complaint about anything, i'll be sure to quote this for truth.
I believe myself to share most of Daedric's viewpoints on this subject, so i'll go ahead and adderess your post.
It's not all the RP on this server. Many individual encounters, stories, in fact a good deal of them have actual RP. But once we jump to diplomacy and inter-faction things, and especially once things that only exist in-rp are considered, it quickly breaks down to who can shoot who and how well they do it, regardless of any lore or universe truth that would give one side an advantage.
Beacuse one of the sad truths of Disco's system is that a faction with more guns than you can ignore your RP, no matter how much lore or backstory or how many infocards or dev lore can support it, and worse, the blatant "NO U" is admin and community supported.
Until of course, the devs roll around and tell us what's happening/has happened, in which case you can expect no conflicts to be resolved (they always somehow carry on, cuse really, you can't kill a faction now could you?) and only a few factions "losing" anything in order to add some semblance of forward progress.(Gallia notwithstanding)
EDIT: not that i expect any such fixes for this problem. it's a basic <strike>failing</strike>tradeoff of the rp (non)system used. Legislative, legal, economic, manufacturing, these things are sacrificed beacuse they are quite complex to rp and implement.
The situation in Omega-7 - Jinx - 04-29-2011
"What's your definition of role play then? I'm really curious now."
roleplay is playing a role of a character - a character which is defined by what the character and only the character her/himself can experience. - it is also what a character wishes to do and achieve.
roles are as diverse if not more diverse than RL roles - and only very few RL roles involve justifying to kill someone - even if weapons were freely available and punishment for murder was light.
playing a role is nothing more and nothing less than picturing what a character would do in given situations. - depending on the characters cleverness, strengthes and weaknesses - that can be very exciting.
why are competetive situations bad for serius roleplay?
cause when you are in a competetive enviroment - you are going to try to avoid the more exciting sides of a character - the negative sides. - you only pick the good sides - AND to top it up ... you don t play the characters ROLE anymore.
for example:
- you are playing a drunkard pirate with a speech impediment aged 65
- you are babbling about as if you were and are drinking - and as if you re currently quite pissed
in a competitive enviroment - thats where pvp overrules the roleplay
- you are attacked by a liberty lawful
- hardly ANY player on disco will keep roleplaying the drunk pirate with his shaking hands - who s chances of survival are near zero in such a situation..... no - he will fight to the "players" best skills.... and that is not roleplay, that is pvp
also
having a rule that pops up in the console that "engaging/halt" is not enough to initiate combat speaks volumes about the roleplay which is applied / was applied as a standard.
discovery is not roleplay so much. ( not like it ever was ) - it DOES give the pvp some depth.
what some ppl mistakenly believe is that this is a quality issue and a "bad thing". freelancer is an arcade shooter - and there are MANY players who simply cannot GRASP the idea of factions who don t fire at others. - the idea of someone NOT focussing on fighting in an arcade fighting game is absurd... isn t it?
The situation in Omega-7 - Panzer - 04-29-2011
And what would yuz have done?
I wake up, morning visit in the bathroom, SAMICH, I go "view new posts" and see, that RM went hostile. Was I supposed to skype alec and tellm it's a silly idea and to call his guys off coz we ain't gonna play ball?