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The Mollys + Post #109. - dara - 06-21-2011
I disagree with you there Laowai. About O5 that is. If corsairs are going to be using the jumphole from O5 to Cambridge, you can be sure the Mollies will be launching strikes against O5 if the opportunity arrises. Small ones, of course, to maybe hit small corsair forces and cause a bit of havoc. If there's lots of corsairs in O5 you can be sure that I, for one, won't be found there. Too much heat.
I agree on the Omega-47 bit though. Not the Mollies playground, as far as I'm concerned, unless we're specifically invited to take part in something by the Hessians.
The Mollys + Post #109. - chopper - 06-21-2011
' Wrote:Thats the problem. They arent. The mollies are a local group of Pirates, same as the Gaians btw, Corsairs and Outcasts are the two big ones, bordering on Criminal Empires. The Hessians are also quite large, given their reach in the Omegas. Omega 47 is not molly turf, its Hessian and Corsair. Mollies to have a reach in Bretonia sure, I can deal with Omega 49 at a pinch as well given that its next door.... however Omega 47 is too far in my opinion.
This is like saying there are no Irish gangs in Boston. Come on. Mollys have a base right next to Omega-3 JG in Cambridge. Are you going to tell me they ain't supposed to go 20k away and jump to Omega 5 from time to time?
O-49 is right next to both Londondery and Dublin. Why do you have a problem with that?
It's like saying that the Rogues can't visit Magellan, or Bering.
The Mollys + Post #109. - Laowai - 06-21-2011
' Wrote:This is like saying there are no Irish gangs in Boston. Come on. Mollys have a base right next to Omega-3 JG in Cambridge. Are you going to tell me they ain't supposed to go 20k away and jump to Omega 5 from time to time?
O-49 is right next to both Londondery and Dublin. Why do you have a problem with that?
It's like saying that the Rogues can't visit Magellan, or Bering.
"Real life" arguments to make Discovery points dont really apply.
But yeah that's exactly what im saying - Dara made the point just now that Mollies might like to stick their head into O5 occasionally and say hi... If that's all it ever is, i say fine.. but really that is still stretching it. How would that be the case... they can swathe all their way across a Navy and Police held system (cambridge) avoiding the lawfuls there as well as Corsairs who already want to kill them, dodge all that and get to Omega 5..... to go and attack Corsairs... who btw, also have a presence in Omega 49 and Dublin at the same time and are already a thorn in your side in those areas.
That to me, is a stretch... the Mollies are not the outcasts or Corsairs or hessians, they simply dont have that kind of power. Molly players will disagree with me of course (Ive had this discussion before btw)....
My red flag here is that Ive seen this before, multiple times - "Small raids" often dont stay as small raids. (At one point some time ago we had Molly ships showing up in Uber-anti Corsair coalition raids in gamma, that to me, was beyond ridiculous.) Of course, that is not THIS proposal, but im giving you the context that i have when i see the text 'We might conduct small raids...."
That, and yes, I dont think Omega 5 has anything to do with the Mollies.
Omega 49? Already conceded that one, as i said, in a pinch, it is next door to Dublin where it is easily conceivable that mollies will mass in force.
Omega 47 I already mentioned, mollies have no business there.
The Mollys + Post #109. - chopper - 06-21-2011
Quote:But yeah that's exactly what im saying - Dara made the point just now that Mollies might like to stick their head into O5 occasionally and say hi... If that's all it ever is, i say fine.. but really that is still stretching it. How would that be the case... they can swathe all their way across a Navy and Police held system (cambridge) avoiding the lawfuls there as well as Corsairs who already want to kill them, dodge all that and get to Omega 5..... to go and attack Corsairs... who btw, also have a presence in Omega 49 and Dublin at the same time and are already a thorn in your side in those areas.
That to me, is a stretch... the Mollies are not the outcasts or Corsairs or hessians, they simply dont have that kind of power. Molly players will disagree with me of course (Ive had this discussion before btw)....
Mollys have a base in Cambridge. A base that is really close to both Omega-3 JG, as well as the holes. They don't have to risk anything by going trough Cambridge, since they base their operations right from there.
I don't see why my reasoning is flawed.
The Mollys + Post #109. - Primitive - 06-21-2011
People tend to forgot mollys aren't based only in Dublin.
Whole bretonia and part of omegas is totally ok in my point of view.
All those arguments about "passing patrols" etc can be said for alot of factions. Its a game, if corsair can come to play on molly turf and shoot them there, I would gladly see mollys coming around o3-5. (not further) to play with corsairs as well. Hell they are terrorist, think of it as special infiltration team that came there just to kill corsair out of hatred. They have to watch cork everyday, I think its enough to create that hatred.
The Mollys + Post #109. - Laowai - 06-21-2011
' Wrote:Mollys have a base in Cambridge. A base that is really close to both Omega-3 JG, as well as the holes. They don't have to risk anything by going trough Cambridge, since they base their operations right from there.
I don't see why my reasoning is flawed.
Well, the way i see it is that to get to Omega 5 they have to pass through an already hostile system, where granted, they have a base.....Could they, sure? would it be easy? no... so, why bother when you are already hard pressed in so many other areas and are not that powerful a force in the first place that resources can be squandered on dubious raids. In RP terms in my opinion its not a place they need to be - given their already existent problems AND the fact that their much better armed, equipped and powerful friends the Hessians are already there... Hessians dont need Molly Support against the Corsairs, in storyline terms, Omega 5 is a stalemate that both sides are locked in, Hessians are quite capable of holding their own.
This is only my opinion of course.
As i said, I dont think Omega 5 is really any business of the Mollies but i also know that molly factions need to find a way to drum up activity and yes, they will find Corsair players in Omega 5 probably more often than they will in Dublin. It makes sense in that regard and that's why I said earlier that if it only ever was "small raids" then personally I'd shake my head but leave it in the "whatever" category... as said though, im extremely skeptical of this from prior experience.
So i can sway on Omega 5 to a point, though as said, i personally dont agree with it and am skeptical of the idea. Omega 49 i see as potentially problematic though as i conceded, on further reflection, that does make sense.
Omega 47, no way.
The Mollys + Post #109. - jammi - 06-21-2011
' Wrote:How would that be the case... they can swathe all their way across a Navy and Police held system (cambridge) avoiding the lawfuls there as well as Corsairs who already want to kill them, dodge all that and get to Omega 5..... to go and attack Corsairs... who btw, also have a presence in Omega 49 and Dublin at the same time and are already a thorn in your side in those areas."I hear Corsairs operate in New London and Dublin. How would that be the case... they can swathe all their way across a Navy and Police held system (Cambridge, Leeds, New London, Dublin) avoiding the lawfuls there as well as Mollys and Hessians who already want to kill them (Omega 5, etc), dodge all that and get to New London..... to go and attack Mollys, etc... who btw, also have a presence in Londonderry, Omega 49 and Dublin at the same time and are already a thorn in your side in those areas."
Don't start this argument Lao. It doesn't look good for the Corsairs. :P
Also, the probable reason why you don't see Molly NPCs in Omega 5 or around the JH in Cambridge, is because Lisburn is a mod added base. The developers tend to forget to fully integrate their alterations into the systems they put them in, hence the lack of Mollys. If everything got done to the utmost standards of quality, .86 would never get released (oh. Wait a minute).
The Mollys + Post #109. - Laowai - 06-21-2011
' Wrote:"I hear Corsairs operate in New London and Dublin. How would that be the case... they can swathe all their way across a Navy and Police held system (Cambridge, Leeds, New London, Dublin) avoiding the lawfuls there as well as Mollys and Hessians who already want to kill them (Omega 5, etc), dodge all that and get to New London..... to go and attack Mollys, etc... who btw, also have a presence in Londonderry, Omega 49 and Dublin at the same time and are already a thorn in your side in those areas."
Don't start this argument Lao. It doesn't look good for the Corsairs. :P
No, its easy. Corsairs are powerful, really powerful, So are the Outcasts, and so are the Hessians... which is why all of those groups have expansive ZOI's and no one really takes issue with it, because its feasible - all that is lodged way back as far as Vanilla lore.
Corsairs also have access to most of those areas and the systems they pass through, 41, 5, 47 are disputed systems - pretty much parts of them are controlled by one side or the other... as it was pointed out to me by some hessian players a while back.. Hessians can move through Omega 5 for example because really, they control the top half of it, that, and they are powerful, they have bigger fleets, can take bigger losses and all the fun that comes with being... well... large. The way I view it, "the big two" (being OC's and Corsairs) get the leeway they do in ZOI simply because of their (perceived) power in the storyline... like i said, my take on it... New London for example, would be a bugger for the Corsairs to get to, I agree on that, but, its there and its included.
As I said, the Mollies are not the outcasts, Hessians or Corsairs. Their concerns (in my opinion) should be a lot more localized - Knock yourselves out in Brettonia.
The Molly presence in Omega 49 btw, is problematic... If there is in game info cards or anything else backing that up then ok, Ill stand corrected.
But in pure player driven terms as i have said (3 times now) I can concede the omega 49 point.
The Mollys + Post #109. - Zapp - 06-21-2011
Also, just a point, when you get official a bounty board would be awesome;)
The Mollys + Post #109. - Pacific - 06-21-2011
I completely support Av decision to drop the BW lane. Why its quite simple the BW lane is bveing over used and I dont see molly NPC in BW ships. The Molly Rouge ship lane is awesome. Werewolf is perfectly flyable against Titans and Templars due to the lack of maneuverability.