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Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Akumabito - 10-27-2008
If the pirates consider themselves at war with the trade companies, then they are at war.
Can you point to these pirate/trader rules, specifically where they prohibit such an attack?
Also, I thought this was a RP server, shouldn't it be based on if the attack is in RP?
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Drake - 10-27-2008
' Wrote:No, because a corporation is not at war with the pirate faction. It is still a trader ID, protected by the pirate/trader rules.
The House (Military/police forces) are at war with the pirates, not the corporations. The United States goes to war, not United Airlines.
And this isn't always true. Ageria is at war with the Lane Hackers. BMM is at war with the Mollys. Rhineland and Kusari have their own examples (several, if I recall correctly), but I'm mostly unfamiliar with those houses.
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - bluntpencil2001 - 10-27-2008
Plus, Thomas Jefferson issued Letters of Private Reprisal to companies to deal with pirates and enemies of the state...
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Akumabito - 10-27-2008
Shouldn't it be RP related? If your pirate ID is enemies with the transports ID, shouldn't that make the encounter a pvp one rather than a piracy one?
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - cmfalconer - 10-27-2008
' Wrote:If the pirates consider themselves at war with the trade companies, then they are at war.
Who the pirates are at war with when trader factions are concerned is spelled out in the ID itself, isn't it?
' Wrote:Can you point to these pirate/trader rules, specifically where they prohibit such an attack?
Please to explain yourself better. What sort of attack are we talking about here? Would it be a Rogue indiscriminately harpooning the white Whale of BMM tagged trader? Or would it be a Molly trying to blow up the same BMM trader? The first would be an example of terrorism, and wrong. Where the second would be perfectly within the ID's of BOTH parties and therefore legit...to my understanding.
' Wrote:Also, I thought this was a RP server, shouldn't it be based on if the attack is in RP?
Huh? again, what attack? To use the above example, the Rogue wouldn't be in RP to just blow up the BMM tradeship, they would be inclined (by server rules and RP) to kindly ask for a donation to the cause. If this Rogue were to simply blow up this trader, it would be rather ooRP for him, as BMM isn't directly at war with the Rogues, or vice versa, and that gold-toting tradeship would be a nice pigeon to pluck for currency.
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Akumabito - 10-27-2008
Any ID that lists house corporations in it's ID as an enemy could make a perfectly in RP attack (instead of a piracy attempt) on a house corp tagged ship, even if it is a trader, right?
That's the point, if you are an enemy you are an enemy, right?
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Drake - 10-27-2008
' Wrote:Any ID that lists house corporations in it's ID as an enemy could make a perfectly in RP attack (instead of a piracy attempt) on a house corp tagged ship, even if it is a trader, right?
That's the point, if you are an enemy you are an enemy, right?
No, having an enemy isn't the same as being 'at war'. War is BAF vs. KNF, BMM vs. Mollys, Junkers vs. Hogosha, Ageria vs. Hackers. Such things do need clarification... Luckily, the new IDs do that.
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Capt. Henry Morgan - 10-27-2008
' Wrote:Any ID that lists house corporations in it's ID as an enemy could make a perfectly in RP attack (instead of a piracy attempt) on a house corp tagged ship, even if it is a trader, right?
That's the point, if you are an enemy you are an enemy, right?
What I think they're trying to say is that not every corporation is the same. The Xenos, for example, don't attack Universal Shipping. We leave them alone, since they provide some level of assistance to us, under the table. An Ageira transport, on the other hand, doesn't enjoy the same protection. We will ignore it, though, if provided with a more important target, such as a Samura-tagged transport. Being a foreign ship, we hate them even more than we do Ageira.
Yes, an attack could possibly be justified, but it depends on entirely on your factions RP and how it fits in with the individual corporation. Don't make the mistake of lumping all house corporations into one group, and assuming they're all the same, because they're not.
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Kuraine - 10-27-2008
I'm not entirely sure why you're discussing attacks on corporate IDs. The pirate IDs state which corporations they can specifically target and destroy on sight. I thought it was pretty clear cut, in every sense of the word.
Reminder to traders: plan for a new ID - Akumabito - 10-27-2008
So an in RP attack on a corporate ID cannot happen unless it is specifically allowed in the ID?
In that case can we get all allowed attacks clearly laid out?