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Ask the LR- Rogues - RockCrystal - 05-27-2011
' Wrote:@ -=BrotherBear=-: As far as I know, you rogues are addicted to the outcast cardamine. Without it you are junkies without fuel...
So, you should respect this alliance between outcasts and rogues even more. I am not talking about indies with loldreads coming in Liberty to get some luls. I am talking about the official outcast factions.
Now roleplaying a pirate that is bloodthristy is okay, but only inRP, but having some respect for others players it's something to have in mind. An example would be this, I come here to put some questions to the LR, they then tell me to go and QQ somewhere else.
That's pretty stupid isn't it?
As has been stated in multiple other posts, Rogues are NOT addiced to Cardamine. This was the case in vanilla. It is not the case now.
We do trade IN cardamine - as a supplement to our income pirating, selling slaves, smuggling Blood Diamonds and Counterfeit Software and anything else that brings a profit. So we're not 'addicted' economically to Cardi either at this point.
As far as I know, the 101st is behind our policy regarding Outcasts in Liberty 100%. They don't want their cap ships in Liberty, they want them in Omicron Eta/Gamma, finishing off the Corsairs.
If you, as a 101st, have info to the contrary, you should get your leader to post it in a diplomatic thread.
As for other contact... there isn't much, but I try to pay respect to the 101st whenever I take a load of slaves to Malta.
And Varok... we get a LOT of QQing, and your initial post looked like just the latest in a long line. Hence my request for clarification.
Ask the LR- Rogues - Varok - 05-27-2011
' Wrote:As has been stated in multiple other posts, Rogues are NOT addiced to Cardamine. This was the case in vanilla. It is not the case now.
We do trade IN cardamine - as a supplement to our income pirating, selling slaves, smuggling Blood Diamonds and Counterfeit Software and anything else that brings a profit. So we're not 'addicted' economically to Cardi either at this point.
As far as I know, the 101st is behind our policy regarding Outcasts in Liberty 100%. They don't want their cap ships in Liberty, they want them in Omicron Eta/Gamma, finishing off the Corsairs.
If you, as a 101st, have info to the contrary, you should get your leader to post it in a diplomatic thread.
As for other contact... there isn't much, but I try to pay respect to the 101st whenever I take a load of slaves to Malta.
And Varok... we get a LOT of QQing, and your initial post looked like just the latest in a long line. Hence my request for clarification.
@ Peter: To maintain this subject about the relation rogues-outcasts:
Indeed, the outcasts want their loldreads fight the corsairs (note that inRP the Ranseurs are only a few, barelly seen in combat) in the Edge Worlds and not the LN in NY. But once again, I don't understand why a sabre cannot pirate some transport in Liberty, especially a Cryer transport.
If the outcasts cannot pirate in Liberty, because there are already Lane Hackers and Liberty Rogues, then the outcasts cannot pirate in any other house because every house has their own criminal factions.
That means the outcasts can only demand something from passing transports only in a few remote systems?
@ Hone: It's not like "no respect" for indies. It's that the indies are not answering to someone with a higher rank. They can do something without anyone posibly sanctioning him for such things. (I'm talking about RP stuff, not rule breaking)
@ Crackpunch: Where is that smuggled cardamine coming from? I will tell you: It's Malta!
Ask the LR- Rogues - Pinko - 05-27-2011
' Wrote:@ -=BrotherBear=-: As far as I know, you rogues are addicted to the outcast cardamine. Without it you are junkies without fuel...
Again, Southern Hackers. Not Liberty Rogues.
Ask the LR- Rogues - Primitive - 05-27-2011
' Wrote:Again, Southern Hackers. Not Liberty Rogues.
All Lane Hackers.
/engages cloaking device.
Ask the LR- Rogues - Daedric - 05-27-2011
I want to know how the Rogues have weened themselves off Cardamine please. I find it extremely odd that a group of thieves could find a cure for Cardamine addiction but Cryer hasn't. Unless over the past 20 years all of the Rogues from vanilla have died out, there is still a large number of Rogues addicted to the drug. I can understand that after the Nomad War the new Rogues might have stopped taking it and over 20 years the number of nonaddictive Rogues has climbed. That still doesn't change the fact that either the majority of the Rogues from Vanilla are dead or you still have a sizable number of Rogues addicted.
Ask the LR- Rogues - Pinko - 05-27-2011
' Wrote:All Lane Hackers.
/engages cloaking device.
From what I could read, Leiden Hackers aren't as Cardamine addicted as those on Mactan are.
Ask the LR- Rogues - Saronsen - 05-27-2011
' Wrote:I want to know how the Rogues have weened themselves off Cardamine please.
New people join their ranks over the years. They never use the stuff, thus never becoming addicted. Rebreathers are a fancy thing this time and day I hear.
Ask the LR- Rogues - SnakThree - 05-27-2011
Well... I have only one question... It won't be easy... But... Why are you so fricking awesome?!! ((sun)) And were you born with awesomeness or have you trained it out through hard work?
Ask the LR- Rogues - tansytansey - 05-27-2011
I'd like everybody who's giving information about Rogues to the people asking questions to stop. Things are coming from all sorts of different sources and people seem to be getting confused.
I'll address some points people have made here.
' Wrote:I got a question, I think I kinda understand it, but perhaps you can make it clearer;
Rogues are allies of the outcasts, outcasts have cultivated the rogues to be their little bum boys, by supplying them, and getting them addicted to cardimine.
' Wrote:@ -=BrotherBear=-: As far as I know, you rogues are addicted to the outcast cardamine. Without it you are junkies without fuel...
Yes, in 800 AS the Liberty Rogues were controlled by the Outcasts and addicted to Cardamine in large numbers. Since then, however, we've had some pretty smart Bosses, mostly Sylpheed's work. Liberty Rogues no longer take cardamine unless they were previously addicted before joining. This was a decision made by the Crimebosses long ago for two reasons.
Sampling our supplies means we have less to sell, and it stops the Outcasts from controlling us using cardamine withdrawal.
It's been what, 17 years since 800 AS? The life of a Rogue is generally a short one, most of the cardamine addicted Rogues have been cycled out by now and replaced with fresh, unaddicted Rogues. There are some who still use the drug, but by in large the Liberty Rogues are no longer users of Cardamine.
' Wrote:I want to know how the Rogues have weened themselves off Cardamine please. I find it extremely odd that a group of thieves could find a cure for Cardamine addiction but Cryer hasn't. Unless over the past 20 years all of the Rogues from vanilla have died out, there is still a large number of Rogues addicted to the drug. I can understand that after the Nomad War the new Rogues might have stopped taking it and over 20 years the number of nonaddictive Rogues has climbed. That still doesn't change the fact that either the majority of the Rogues from Vanilla are dead or you still have a sizable number of Rogues addicted.There is no cure, we simply stopped letting the new comers start taking Cardamine. Eventually the amount of non-users outnumbered the number of users.
' Wrote:It is part of Freelancer cannon that outcasts pirate in Liberty - outcast NPCs on the lanes, the SP mission where your convoy gets jumped by outcasts - so we can assume that the alliance was based along with the agreement that outcasts would be pirating in Liberty.
Why then are you the LR attacking/driving out all outcasts you see in liberty, when they are your most powerfull supporter, it is part of rogue cannon that you are adicted to cardimine they supply, and how can you call yourselves allies when you do it?
Actually, if you read all the lore on Buffalo, the Outcast rumours include a few that say it's far too dangerous for the Outcasts to leave the Badlands.
As for Outcast NPCs in Liberty, you'll find them in 3 locations. Badlands, and both sides of the Texas Jump Hole. Infocards in Texas also state that Texas is the furtherest south an Outcast will ever go.
Now explain to me how that warrants full on piracy in Liberty from the Outcasts.
It's not the Liberty Rogues who are getting our roles confused, it is the Outcasts. Outcasts do not go to Liberty to pirate, they only go there to ship or escort cardamine, or to oversee operations. Those few numbers of Outcasts that do pirate in Liberty are not acting in the interests of Outcasts, they are AWOL acting under their own authority.
Outcasts are not in Liberty to pirate. Outcasts are not in Liberty to kill the Navy. Outcasts are in Liberty only for the Cardamine trade. This is roleplay, it's just unfortunate that it is overlooked by everyone looking for a quick piracy/pew pew fix, but would rather fly a Tridente/Sabre/Falcata than a Rogue ship.
The Liberty Rogues are not allies with the Outcasts. We are business partners. It is a mutually beneficial trade agreement, we sell slaves directly to the Outcasts, and they sell Cardamine to us. All Cardamine and Slave shipments are pre-ordered, and intermediaries are hired to ship the stock. That Cardamine you're shipping on your indie smuggler is already bought and paid for by the Liberty Rogues, you're just payed to move it. The Liberty Rogues then distribute the Cardamine do the users for maximum profit.
The Liberty Rogues are not as reliant on the Outcasts as we used to be. While the Cardamine trade is our biggest source of income, it is not our only source any more. As it is right now, neither the Outcasts nor the Liberty Rogues can really afford to have the contract terminated. If the Outcasts were to stop selling Cardamine to the Liberty Rogues, we have a base at pretty much every Jump Hole into Liberty, so we'd still get our hands on the Cardamine any way. So both sides would be losing a lot of profit.
As for why we kill Outcast Battleships and order Tridente to leave, long ago Outcast Capital Ships used to plague Liberty, and with a joint effort between the Outcasts and the Liberty Rogues we managed to lower their numbers significantly. There are many RP justifications for the action, and we were given permission to carry out these actions from the Outcasts themselves long ago. It is simply OORP to be in Liberty with an Outcast Capital ship, but rather than complain about it, we roleplay it and deal with it ourselves.
We're roleplaying, what are you doing?
' Wrote:Well... I have only one question... It won't be easy... But... Why are you so fricking awesome?!! ((sun)) And were you born with awesomeness or have you trained it out through hard work?There was a man named Reverend Del, sometimes known as Pope Rocket Fist. He was among the most awesome of people to have ever lived. He made the Liberty Rogues what they are today, we are his legacy, and just a little of his awesome rubbed off on this faction for the rest of us to carry on with.
Ask the LR- Rogues - Bloom - 05-27-2011
Was looking at the tech permissions given away by the OCs...and there are none given to Rogues, odd enough. But I remember seeing someone use an Inferno. Now, it might just be a bureaucratic error, as in someone forgot to write it down, but I just wanted to double check. On the other hand, it could also be my epic fail and i missed the part completely...not like it would be the first time:smile2: