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Battlefield 3 - ivr56 - 08-29-2011
All that I said isn't anything new, no not by a long shot. But Fletcher said there ins't any browser when there clearly is. Just in a different form.
Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m6CLA3su_A&hd=1
Extended Gamescom Trailer from PAX Prime
Battlefield 3 - Tenshu - 08-30-2011
While the Legal stuff is utter crap..I dont think I have the willpower to not
get Origin, not so much for Battlefield 3 but moreso for Mass Effect 3.
I cant just NOT play it when it comes out.:P
It enables them I know but who knows. They may change the legal stuff with the
entire internet up in arms over it.
Staying positive heh *sigh*
Battlefield 3 - Klaw117 - 08-30-2011
I heard that EA changed BF3's and Origin's EULA to appease the gamers. Apparently a lot of PC gamers flipped out, so EA changed the EULA so that it won't be able to invade your privacy now.
Battlefield 3 - ivr56 - 08-30-2011
' Wrote:I heard that EA changed BF3's and Origin's EULA to appease the gamers. Apparently a lot of PC gamers flipped out, so EA changed the EULA so that it won't be able to invade your privacy now.They can still scan components and installed software for internal use for statistics and technical help with games if you ever need it.
News on the Mod front. Bit more reasoning behind no tools yet.
Quote:First is resources, with Troedsson saying "as developers of a game of this magnitude'I mean, it's the biggest thing we've ever done'we have to select what it is we're going to spend our focus on. We cannot do everything; it's basically like that."
Next up? Perfectionism. Troedsson added that "at DICE, we are very committed to quality and innovation when we do something. So if we do mod tools, we really want to do it right."
Third and last is security. "There's also a security risk behind all of this. It means that we need to open up our precious game and let people just tear around in it in whatever way. I would love to do this, but there's a lot of things we need to consider in the background before we can make the decision if we want to do this."
Battlefield 3 - Klaw117 - 08-30-2011
' Wrote:They can still scan components and installed software for internal use for statistics and technical help with games if you ever need it.Don't other applications do this as well? The main problem with the original EULA for Origin was that it basically gave EA the consent and the legality to give your information to third parties. EA fixed that and also stated that only information on Origin will be collected. Other companies collect information about their applications all the time as well. I don't see what makes the new EULA different from the EULAs of other applications.
Battlefield 3 - ivr56 - 08-31-2011
' Wrote:I don't see what makes the new EULA different from the EULAs of other applications.Because lolevilEA
But more so the third party part.
Which was fixed recently.
Battlefield 3 - BaconSoda - 08-31-2011
' Wrote:BaconSoda. the Origin scanning stuff, maybe you didnt read properly but it is NOT just hardware. you are giving them free access to scan your computer for anything they want that isnt just limited to hardware such as what you download, where it came from, if you are sharing it etc etc
Valve may do the hardware but they do not scan anything but that wheras Origin will.
I thought Steam also tracked my activity weekly for games and my total activity for games. Those numbers of hours next to the side must mean something else. I must be mistaken.
I also thought error reports included driver versions as well. I suppose I was wrong about that, too.
Maybe everyone really should have read EULAs in the first place.
EDIT: And, really if you're sharing something...I mean, c'mon. It's illegal. Illegal. Not allowed. FBI show up at your door in the US. I don't want the FBI to show up at my door. I adhere to the terms of the EULAs I agree to so that the FBI don't bust me for sharing licenses which belong to me.
Is anyone really aware that all the games we play, all day, don't actually belong to us? We're leasing them. We pay to lease the privilege to play a game. If I break the rules of my apartment or car lease, I get my apartment or car taken away from me. I don't see why it's such a surprise that game leases are the same way.
Battlefield 3 - ian - 08-31-2011
' Wrote:EDIT: And, really if you're sharing something...I mean, c'mon. It's illegal. Illegal. Not allowed. FBI show up at your door in the US. I don't want the FBI to show up at my door. I adhere to the terms of the EULAs I agree to so that the FBI don't bust me for sharing licenses which belong to me.
Is anyone really aware that all the games we play, all day, don't actually belong to us? We're leasing them. We pay to lease the privilege to play a game. If I break the rules of my apartment or car lease, I get my apartment or car taken away from me. I don't see why it's such a surprise that game leases are the same way.
Sharing isnt illegal. pirating is illegal but sharing is not. so your telling me that if i lend a friend a pen then im going to get arrested by a law-enforcement organisation that doesnt have authority where i live? I really doubt that.
the UK have even just made it legal to rip music from CD's which was illegal before hand but everyone did it and no-one cared. so, let's say me and a friend have the same album but i have the software to rip the songs and move them to an mp3 player. i rip the song and then send them the same song (which we still own 'cause we have the same album) is that illegal? no because we both own the album it came from.
Maybe you view it as leasing the game and your happy to do that but as far as I am aware EVERYONE views it as ownership which is what we are told so. If I know im just going to pay £30 just to rent it for 15 or so days, I will not buy it because it is a pure waste of money. I pay to BUY my game and because that is what it is classed as, not renting/leasing. and to add onto that it is completly upto me how i wish to use my product be it modding it, sharing certain specific files to other friends because their file is corrupt/damaged/lost etc etc.
If I am found to break the EULA agreement for a game such as Tomb Raider nothing will be done. fact. same goes for people who cheat on games such as Left 4 Dead and are found out, they are banned from playing on VAC servers but they are still able, entitled and allowed to play the game they paid for because they own it, they havent leased it.
Battlefield 3 - BaconSoda - 09-01-2011
I searched for Freelancer EULA but I couldn't find it. I found a similar(ly named) piece of software to share. I'll bold the important parts.
Quote:1.GRANT OF LICENSE.
This EULA grants you the following rights:
(A) Installation and Use: You may install, run and use a single instance of a freelancerKit product or software on a single domain. To run a freelancerKit product or software under multiple domains or subdomains, additional licenses for each domain or subdomain must be purchased.
(B) Reproduction and Distribution: You may not, under any circumstances, reproduce and/or distribute, in whole or in part, any copies of the product without written permission from JREAM Design.
This line appears in pretty much any EULA for any piece of software. By agreeing to an EULA, you are agreeing not to redistribute anything. Lets look at the readily available Guild Wars EULA. Again I have bolded important parts.
Quote:3. LICENSE TO USE
Subject to the terms of this Agreement, NC Interactive grants to you, for your personal use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable (except as permitted in Section 4(a)) license to use the Service, and a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable (except as permitted in Section 4(a)) license to use the Software in connection with the Service, without charge except for new Campaigns and Additional Features which will be charged on a prepaid basis according to Section 5.
You may not (a) sublicense, rent, lease, loan or otherwise transfer the Software or the Service (or any part thereof), including without limitation access keys; (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software; © create any derivative works in respect of the Software or the Service; or (d) otherwise use the Software or the Service except as expressly provided in this Agreement. You should keep your access key in a safe place and not share it with anyone else. The access key can be used only once. Title to the Software, and all rights with respect to the Software and Service not specifically granted under this Agreement, including without limitation all rights of reproduction, modification, distribution, display, disassembly and decompilation and all copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret and other proprietary rights and interests are reserved to NC Interactive.
NC Interactive is letting you use their software, unless you decide to breach these terms, which includes sharing, distributing, and otherwise decoding the software.
You might not view a game as a leased product, but you are legitimately leasing a piece of software for a 1-time-payment. You are not told otherwise. You are told explicitly that this product is not yours. You are given the right to use software. You may not share. You may not distribute. It is illegal because you agreed to this contract. If you breach the contract, you are at the very least liable to the terms of the service, which is revocation of license so you can't use the software anymore. At the worst, the company may sue you if you are an active pirate version distributor.
Why is it that pirates mostly get away with it? Simply because it is hard to track down every pirate and the pirate population is proportionally very small compared to the overall population. And if a person gives his buddy his game disk, there is legitimately no way for a corporation to track this and they don't care. Why? Because the same number of versions of the software exist. Hundreds or thousands of people don't get the software for free. Origin isn't really doing anything that any legitimate user would ever fear more than Steam or NCSoft already do.
Maybe people should have read EULAs in the first place.
Battlefield 3 - ivr56 - 09-01-2011
' Wrote:You might not view a game as a leased product, but you are legitimately leasing a piece of software for a 1-time-payment.Might as well add in.
That applies to almost any PC game coming out currently or if you buy if off of D2D, Steam, Origin, etc.
Even digital music as well
Pay once, lease forever, or atleast until you do something against the TOS/EULA or the company goes down under.