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Corsair - Zoner - Zelot - 01-30-2012
' Wrote:Corsairs attacking zoners is actually a non-cannon rp development, zelot. furthermore an admin ruling during the GMG/kusari war indicated independants could not be forced to go along with the non-cannon RP.
As an admin your responsibility is to uphold those rulings because they are server rules, not promote a paper-thin escuse to fire upon transports with no guns and anything in the area.
Except that Zoner/Corsair hostility is written all through the Vanilla lore, as well as disco lore. You dont want to get shot in a tranport with no guns, here is a tip, dont fly a transport with no guns. We dont care if the transport has guns or not though, thing is, all it would take is an FR5 from the Zoner leaders to solve this, but I doubt it will happen. Now, there have been many posts in this thread showing quotes from infocards and rumours showing how delicate the relations between the Corsairs and Zoners are, so how is it against canon for them to get into conflict? Care to show me one shred of lore evidence to support your point? Or are you just going talking out of your rear about how Corsairs shooting at Zoners is against lore (when clearly it is not)? Hmmm? Where does it say in the lore that Corsairs dont shoot Zoners, because it has been pointed out all over this thread the pieces of lore that say it does happen.
Corsair - Zoner - Lunaphase - 01-30-2012
There is a large diffrence between the occasional issue and a all-out blockade. Its just as often stated in vanella lore that the zoner supply line is USEFUL, which is why they dont do anything. You however seem to be ignoring that side of them, only seeing the ones that support your little war and ignoring the ones that dont.
your an admin, you have taken responsibility to protect this server from harmful actions. A bull crap war with any indie zoner you see instead of specifically those at fault is an action that can easily be said to harm server gameplay. Making someones life suck because they dont rp the way you want them to is immature and the fact you are condoning this behavior, and DEFENDING it, speaks volumes of your character.
Corsair - Zoner - Zelot - 01-30-2012
' Wrote:There is a large diffrence between the occasional issue and a all-out blockade. Its just as often stated in vanella lore that the zoner supply line is USEFUL, which is why they dont do anything. You however seem to be ignoring that side of them, only seeing the ones that support your little war and ignoring the ones that dont.
your an admin, you have taken responsibility to protect this server from harmful actions. A bull**** war with any indie zoner you see instead of specifically those at fault is an action that can easily be said to harm server gameplay. Making someones life suck because they dont rp the way you want them to is immature and the fact you are condoning this behavior, and DEFENDING it, speaks volumes of your character.
You can think whatever you want of me. The fact of the matter is, the only way to get something done from the Zoners is to tie them all into it. That was the problem last time, that is the problem with the tactics of the Council of Elders. If you leave OSI and the TAz, as well as indies out of the equation, they have no motivation to work together as Zoners to fix it. It is too easy for all Zoners to say "Its not me" and let the situation continue. The only way to get the Zoners to take action on the issue (which is all we are looking for btw, all this "Corsairs just want pvp" is the bullcrap) is to make it of vital importance for all Zoners, not the Omicroners alone. This is all inrp. If you think I, of all people, am looking for a pvp fix, your crazy. It is impossible for the Corsairs to ignore the situation any further inrp. So instead of whining oorp, how bout you either pressure the Zoner factions to deal with the situation, or respond inrp. Ah right, you think this is crap rp, so instead you will just something and moan, commonly referred to as QQ till you get your way?
By the way, a blockade is an occasional issue, precipitated by events, which will stop when events allow it to. The last time anything like this happened was like a year ago, sounds pretty occasional to me. Do you have a different definition of occasional?
Corsair - Zoner - leonidos - 01-30-2012
' Wrote:Except that Zoner/Corsair hostility is written all through the Vanilla lore, as well as disco lore. You dont want to get shot in a tranport with no guns, here is a tip, dont fly a transport with no guns. We dont care if the transport has guns or not though, thing is, all it would take is an FR5 from the Zoner leaders to solve this, but I doubt it will happen. Now, there have been many posts in this thread showing quotes from infocards and rumours showing how delicate the relations between the Corsairs and Zoners are, so how is it against canon for them to get into conflict? Care to show me one shred of lore evidence to support your point? Or are you just going talking out of your rear about how Corsairs shooting at Zoners is against lore (when clearly it is not)? Hmmm? Where does it say in the lore that Corsairs dont shoot Zoners, because it has been pointed out all over this thread the pieces of lore that say it does happen.I completely agree with you, just what i tried to tell why shooting those zoners who bring food for crete, I agree the corsairs have every right to shoot the zoners especially when they encounter caps in border of gamma.
Strangely after the eta jh moved from theta i dont see the ******* dreds attacking gamma. But insted sudden raise in nuber of zoner juggy in theta and the same style make me think about something....
I dont have any proof though but still its looks like our old enemies changed uniforms and continue what they were doing.
How exactly they have so many rare ship in such good numbers? And that is according to the lore!!!!!
Corsair - Zoner - farmerman - 01-30-2012
Going back to lore, isn't there also a rumor from a Zoner who, after mentioning the location of the 41-Gamma jumphole, says he's a dead man essentially? I'm not in a position to check at the moment, so if anyone could clarify that, it'd be nice.
Also, for the same reason, might someone copy information related to Zoners and giant capships? Thanks.
Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 01-30-2012
Look at it this way folks.
Zoner's just got three new cap ship upgrades - the Corvo, the Fearless, and the mighty (immobile) Nephilim.
The corsairs, in the graciousness are giving indie zoner cap drivers something to shoot at, since the zoner ID is remarkably limited in that capacity.
We even have a new VHF, the Osprey, which needs combat trials, and reports on its effectiveness (remember, this is the beta).
So, everyone make a Fearless, or a Corvo, pull out your new Neph's, and fly an Osprey.
Then let the dev's know whats wrong and right with all of the new ship changes, so they can be tweaked and perfected - because everyone knows Mjolnir never gets it right the first time.
Above all, treat this opportunity as just that...an opportunity to have fun.
*runs off to make a fearless*
Corsair - Zoner - escopton - 01-30-2012
' Wrote:Also, for the same reason, might someone copy information related to Zoners and giant capships? Thanks.
Never met a religious zoner in vanilla either. Yet here we are in Disco. You want to take Juggies from us too?
Corsair - Zoner - globalplayer-svk - 01-30-2012
Noone from zoner side care to answer on my last post?that is showing me that you agree with it...
Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 01-30-2012
Gobo - ill put my two cents on your post.
I dont think Zoners tolerate these people docking there.
I think what they would like is an ounce of discretion from those folks if they do choose to dock there. Which those offending parties have none.
In fact, they dont give a damn what there actions cause - even in one of the screenshots, an RR was taunting you while it docked. And now that they have inadvertently touched off a war...where are they?
Oh yeah, no where.
If I had the power, every single one of them would be FR5'd on day one - not for wrong doing, but for the sheer amount of apathy they have for what they have caused.
Thats the part that causes rage.
Corsair - Zoner - Linkus - 01-30-2012
' Wrote:Ah i see , this is some kind of protest in disguise ,
well , We have been in war with zoners before ,
did we starve ?
no
' Wrote:Except that Zoner/Corsair hostility is written all through the Vanilla lore, as well as disco lore. You dont want to get shot in a tranport with no guns, here is a tip, dont fly a transport with no guns. We dont care if the transport has guns or not though, thing is, all it would take is an FR5 from the Zoner leaders to solve this, but I doubt it will happen. Now, there have been many posts in this thread showing quotes from infocards and rumours showing how delicate the relations between the Corsairs and Zoners are, so how is it against canon for them to get into conflict? Care to show me one shred of lore evidence to support your point? Or are you just going talking out of your rear about how Corsairs shooting at Zoners is against lore (when clearly it is not)? Hmmm? Where does it say in the lore that Corsairs dont shoot Zoners, because it has been pointed out all over this thread the pieces of lore that say it does happen.
Just read the first and last page sorry. Didn't think it was neccessary when seeing said posts anyway.
Point:
If you want to ignore the economy, we could always just remove it altogether and give everyone unlimited funds
You cannot, ever, make war or change who you attack, without affecting your economy.
If the Corsairs blocked every food shipment ingame they would not starve.
Should they?
Yes.
Players ignoring these sort of things is what causes all this drama and is why players don't have any control over the actual mod.