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R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - Barbarossa - 02-12-2012
' Wrote:You want oc activity huh?
Here's the key.
Yep, the key.
I'm about to give you the only thing you will need to get your activity back up.
Yep.
Ready ?
Here it is.
Get off your lazy asses and do s***!
The outcasts have one of the largest ZoIs in the game, a large variety of ships at their disposal and -many- enemies to shoot. You guys stick around Alpha all day long, what the hell are you expecting? No one is just gonna come and raid you like that, even if, it'll be effing rare. Your neighbors, the IMG are miners, they don't want to shoot people, they just want to make credits.
THERE'S A WHOLE SIRIUS OUT THERE.
Just because there isn't s*** to kill right outside your capital doesn't mean you have no enemies. Go raid New York, go raid bretonia and kill gallics, smuggle, raid gamma and more stuff you can do, if you just had the decency to actually fly a few systems.
This was obviously going to happen, I could see it in .85. The only thing outcasts did was raid 23, get raided by CR and sometimes others and then just sit in alpha pewing each other so much that you guys probably learned every other outcast's moves.
Yeah, what the hell did you think was going to happen?
Get off your asses and something, before coming to complain here.
What made you a smartass? I've been everywhere with my outcast chars, I am A SMART CAPWHORE, not those who sit and wait or go to rheinland and enter LWB guard system randomly and pew pew.
I've requested a permission to enter Bretonia with my cap to kill GRN caps, but i got a big NO.
I visit Liberty, i get betrayed by lolberty lolrogueswuttery.
I visit Kusari, i get pew pew'd by the mystic s***blood dragons, which according to lore, we are allies.
I visit Rheinland, oh wtf... Hessians...
I'm flying in neutral systems, try to make some RP, get pew pew'd by a random freelancer.
I smuggle, i get nova spammed to death.
And now, i don't even dare to enter Gallia and get suprisingly killed by +LE+.
What next? Zoner assassins? Zoner Bounty Hunters?
There, you have your so called ''Great ZoI''. How great is it when playing a lagging computer, can't outturn and die?
And no way in hell am i going to visit Coronado, and get ganked alone.
Something I try now is to enter Nomad worlds, don't give a s*** and kill Nomads and get cash. :cool:
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - Blodo - 02-12-2012
In my humble opinion the [101st], being the flagship for the Outcast NPC faction, needs to step up some game and generate some activity on their own. Leaving the old paradigm of "Outcast navy" behind and becoming something more akin to an umbrella Outcast organisation that doesn't just defend Malta, but also actively attacks, pirates, attempts to expand Outcast influence, creates propaganda, creates conspiracies to undermine their enemies, is involved in Sirius politics, smuggles, trades, mines, etc. etc. etc. would be a good start.
Official factions might not have the pull they used to have, but they are still the first thing that is seen from a perspective of an outsider, and lets face it - all potential faction players, be it indies or not, are outsiders who need to be sold on the faction "lifestyle" first, before they make the character and become part of the faction.
Also as others have said, leadership is needed so that the indies have some idea of what to do. Also, keeping with the stupidly ridiculous and outdated idea that "all indies are insufferable idiots who do not deserve to touch the ground beneath our feet" is yet another reason why the entire NPC faction population is simply not interested any more. If you spent as much time trying to integrate with indies as you spend trying to enforce a set of arbitrary laws on them, maybe they would respect you more. It may seem like a different matter altogether, but it does actually tie into the question of overall NPC faction activity.
The first step is inviting the indies into a general Outcast skype channel and not acting like holier than thou rulers of the universe in relation to them. The second is to have them involved in progression of Outcast RP. Then it all sort of moves forward on its own, even if slowly - as long as the parties involved are doing their share of the work.
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - Lonely_Ghost - 02-12-2012
Quote:I've requested a permission to enter Bretonia with my cap to kill GRN caps, but i got a big NO.
Consider that now its YES.
And Blodo- seems that I got your idea faster, cause 212th after forum stuff update will be something like Umbrela corp.
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - ProwlerPC - 02-12-2012
@OP: GMG| is amongst the top 5 most active factions in Disco now. I said it in another OC thread you were in about this. Go look at the activity tracker before making such statements. We have plenty of visitors too. My members are making hundreds of millions from traders coming by to purchase He-3.
:rtfm:
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - Barbarossa - 02-12-2012
:dry:
' Wrote:@OP: GMG| is amongst the top 5 most active factions in Disco now. I said it in another OC thread you were in about this. Go look at the activity tracker before making such statements. We have plenty of visitors too. My members are making hundreds of millions from traders coming by to purchase He-3.Pfff... Alright Prowy, i will take screen shots everytime i see Sigmas being empty, including Okinawa. :dry:
:rtfm:
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - ProwlerPC - 02-12-2012
That's cherry picking, sir.
p.s.: I just realized I forgot to change my avvy :$
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - Ryummel - 02-12-2012
' Wrote:I visit Kusari, i get pew pew'd by the mystic s***blood dragons, which according to lore, we are allies.Lore? Are you high dude? Of course expect to be shot by almost every faction in Kusari if you're Outcast.
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - MÃmir - 02-12-2012
' Wrote:Lore? Are you high dude? Of course expect to be shot by almost every faction in Kusari if you're Outcast.
I think yes and no. The Order hates us and have been snooping around looking at what the OC are up to with the nomnoms. The Order are friends with the Blood Dragons, but supposedly enemies of the Corsair and close friends with the GC, which are OC allied (although I have seen some hostile threads going on, so not too sure about that any more - GC might be looking for some pewpew action). So where does that leave OC and Blood Dragons?
It is like OC ought to have more allies (read: be allies in-game with the folks we are supposed to be allied or at least have somewhat good ties to according to the general back story) and general influence due to our massive wealth and cardamine's corrupting qualities, but we don't really have anything to offer and are too fragmented to really interact with - you never know if an OC indie is going to pewpew or initiate diplomatic talks, and maybe that is our biggest problem.
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - Ceoran - 02-12-2012
' Wrote:I've requested a permission to enter Bretonia with my cap to kill GRN caps, but i got a big NO.
I visit Liberty, i get betrayed by lolberty lolrogueswuttery.
I visit Kusari, i get pew pew'd by the mystic s***blood dragons, which according to lore, we are allies.
I visit Rheinland, oh wtf... Hessians...
Bretonia won't tolerate foreign caps like all other houses, nothing special there.
Don't go there with caps and they can't do s*** about it. Rules have changed, LR can't randomly shoot outcasts anymore. Only random capital ships.
No, Blood Dragons despise cardamine, they were neutral at best. And are more unfriendly than hostile since they mostly just want us to stay out of Kusari. The GC however need to remember that they are a different faction, no matter how much both need to cooperate against the Kusari lawfuls.
Rheinland is not part of the outcast ZoI apart from the route to Liberty through the jump holes in Frankfurt and Hamburg.
' Wrote:In my humble opinion the [101st], being the flagship for the Outcast NPC faction, needs to step up some game and generate some activity on their own. Leaving the old paradigm of "Outcast navy" behind and becoming something more akin to an umbrella Outcast organisation that doesn't just defend Malta, but also actively attacks, pirates, attempts to expand Outcast influence, creates propaganda, creates conspiracies to undermine their enemies, is involved in Sirius politics, smuggles, trades, <strike>mines</strike>, etc. etc. etc. would be a good start.
Small steps, Blodo. And you aren't really up to date. The 101st are the outcast navy which doesn't keep us from attacking. However, pirating would be a bit much unless it's cargo piracy of stuff needed in Alpha. Which we've already done in the past. Occasions were admittedly few since it's not that attractive. Getting a low or mid value sale point for He-3 on Valetta or maybe somewhere in Omicron-81 might buff that. Going for "2milordai", well, I guess that wasn't what you were suggesting.
Smuggling/trading, well, let's say we had an according discussion in the HC earlier.
Contrary to the Hessians, the outcasts don't have nice mining fields, so scratch that part altogether.
' Wrote:Also as others have said, leadership is needed so that the indies have some idea of what to do. Also, keeping with the stupidly ridiculous and outdated idea that "all indies are insufferable idiots who do not deserve to touch the ground beneath our feet" is yet another reason why the entire NPC faction population is simply not interested any more. If you spent as much time trying to integrate with indies as you spend trying to enforce a set of arbitrary laws on them, maybe they would respect you more. It may seem like a different matter altogether, but it does actually tie into the question of overall NPC faction activity.
I agreed on the italic part ealier in this topic.
The bolded part however is another case of you are not up to date. And a severe one. If people keep telling that it would indeed be a reason to make the faction less attractive, but it would nonetheless be wrong. In fact it already was under Jameson when that attitude changed. You can boo Jameson all you want but he improved relations between the 101st and indies, no matter the lies people love to tell about him.
What you are talking about there used to be the case admittedly, but more than a year ago.
R.I.P Outcasts 2003-2012 - Death.RunningVerminator - 02-12-2012
We used Blodo's advice and made a skype chat for us all. Simply ask for an invite if you want in and have an outcast.