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Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - ryoken - 06-10-2008
I find the rule's very simple. I have 9 ship's from a L fighter on up to a BS. Sometime's i like a fast L fighter, sometime's i like to just sit around in MY BS and RP.No ship class is harder or easier to fly/RP. It is a matter of choice.
Now as for faction's, and Indie's. I have been in several faction's, was even second in command of 1. I prefer to be Indie myself, as it offer's more freedom of choice.mostly because i hate having someone tell me i must travel 4 system's to help in a fight i did not start, and waste an hour of my free time doing something i may not enjoy. Also joining a group of 6+ ship's trying to kill 1 person(i was the victom of a BS/2 cruiser's/2GB's and several fighter's chase and kill my 1 cruiser just today. Not on my list of fun thing's to do).
Now a having a faction tell me i cannot go somewhere in my indie ship, with same ID/TAG/SHIP as him because i am not in HIS faction is total power whoring,and not right. I even asked an admin about this with a specific example, and was told and i quote "if you are in RP with all proper tag's/ID's/ship/weapon's, and it is not a guard system under ownership you have the same right's to be there as they do. If fired on SS and send to sanction thread" SO all you power monger's, do not push indie's in RP around if it is not YOUR guard system. They have same right's as you.
My biggest example of this is LSF/SA/LNS telling a liberty navy ship with navy TAG/ID he cannot enter Alaska space. WRONG. It is not a faction owned system,it is not a guard system. They are on same side as you, and have same right's as you.
All i am trying to say is as long as a person INDIE/FACTION has correct ship/tag/ID and is RP'n it same as you, let them be.Let them enjoy the game like you. After all he is still on your side whether he has a {}[]-0-
infront of his name or not.
Faction's have there place in Disco, but so do the Indie's.
CAN"T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?:laugh::):lol:
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Muleo - 06-10-2008
' Wrote:Show me in the rules where my indie outcast, for instance, is under control of the outcast factions.
He isn't.
Quote:4.7 Sanctions for violating faction rules by one player range from a warning to a credit/equipment fine and placing inside the prison system. Sanctions for out-of-RP behaviour in-game depends on amount of other server rules violated, including OOC chat rules, PvP engagement rules, ID rules, and others. Sanctions for out-of-RP behaviour include a credit/equipment fine and placing inside the prison system, as well as ban if accompanied by more serious violations.
The 101st are the government of the Outcasts. By pretending they don't exist, and acting that way, you're OORP. Hence against the rules.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Akumabito - 06-10-2008
' Wrote:Akumabito, while I acknowledge the help you have rendered on a number of occasions, even with your cruiser (when it really was needed, the HG/NovaPG know of which battle i'm talking about), I have to disagree with you on this issue. I am for the registration of independent vessels with the official factions.
And obviously I'm against it. Blanket policies are absolute crap and the problem players, whether they are in a faction or not, fly a cap ship or not, could give the southern end of a north bound mule what policies the faction leaders decide. They are not on these forums anyway.
And screw the Nova/HG, when I started my BD characters and my trader (Monkey), with a backstory that I told you once in game, Nova was absent from the server and the HG didn't exist yet. I did rp as a BD, and what does that get me now? Nothing, because RP on the server means nothing to these forum leaders. It's all about registering on the forums instead. I had a backstory and all I get from the BD's now, after funneling millions to the CG and the Nova is "Drop your cargo or die."
Factions don't respect indies, never had, never will no matter what their RP is. This is nothing but a very petty power play.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Meskalin - 06-10-2008
Greetings and GoodDay to all...
as i dont write that much (thoose forum trials make me sick), it seems it is necessary,...
...i set up a new char some months ago, name is RMS_Emden. RMS is for 'Rheinland Military Ships', like the LNS in Liberty.
I created that char as there was the great discussion (one of them), how "Indies" should behave in their CapShips and which IFF they should use in there names...
And well, i did it all,...
- read the RM rules at the RM homepage
- behave according to the rules and fulfilling military duty as it was written as law on RM homepage
I was online when noone of RM was in sight, sometimes for hours, even days...
So I was the only lawfull most times i was on (with some BH's, which helped me more then one time to defend New-Berlin)
Today I meet some "official" RM for the first time since weeks and guess what i heard from them:
- "RMS stay your intentions and ID, you are not allowed to flight restricted ship"
(image that: a RM in his fat BS told me today, that i need authorization from RM to fly a RW GB with a RM ID)
- "RMS, we dont know that name, you seemed to be a traitor..."
... and and and.
evertime the same...
And they let me 2 choices:
"Become an "official", meaning selling my ship and start with a LF"
or "Be a Traitor and be shoot on sight"
And you know what, i have enough of that crap, i will delete that char and make another one, a bundschuh, hessian or unioners,... just to stay in Rheinland by my "old friends", causing some trouble, RM isnt there anyways everytime...
EDIT: Jinx is my new local hero on this forums: for a better Discovery expierience.
//sorry for my bad english
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Akumabito - 06-10-2008
Don't delete the character, a faction in the Junker chain of command will offer you sanctuary for it, the [CSW]
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - globalplayer-svk - 06-10-2008
' Wrote:Show me in the rules where my indie outcast, for instance, is under control of the outcast factions.
He isn't.
Just because I fly XID doesn't make me a member of faction X, and no matter how much faction X leader hates that I am not under his control, I'm not under his control.
And that's how the rules are. Now that's also why we have these big headed faction leaders trying to boss everyone around, but that's just the way some people are, no respect for anyone else.
I fly a HF and a LF all the time, the so called problem isn't a problem at all, it's a very occasional event blown way out of proportion by clan leaders who are resentful of the indies, and that have no respect for anyone but themselves.
The biggest problem on the server are the clans who only want to fight when they have you outnumbered.
that's what this is, a grudge being carried out on your part.
so you will say akuma, that when someone from outcast elders give you order, you will not follow it? and what make you then ? when they declare you as hostile? so in ROLEPLAY are all outcast hostile to you, because outcast goverment stated you as hostile... you will dock in outcast base? or in ally base? then it is oorp...
you say you was in navy. what happend when someone say to captain that he will not follow order? captain say him ok??? we both know that no.
player factions are here for roleplay. and maybe you dont like my opinions, but show me where is faction droping roleplay. they try to increase it....
i have independend corsair dreadnought too.so i am indie too, but when i am with it near crete. and someone from faction members give me order i follow it. why? because they are leaders, not me. they are goverment. and its not so hard roleplay battleship captain. only thing that you can do is sitting down. because oyu can not pirate, you can not make nothign and battleship is too big for traveling trough sirius ....
but you know how i feel when i undock in one of my 7 corsair ships from crete and i see : lol wanna PvP?. coem to raid new york, or only someone from corsairs shooting to me withotu word because he is testing something ? or how it is great when you see corsair bs with synt-foods tag? or civilian id because he is not enough friendly ? that is roleplay? corsairs allow someone from synth-food to buy their ship? and that are only examples from corsairs... i can continue with bh in liberty battlecruiser in front in new berlin screaming to my pirate train (junker tag+smuggler id) that i am dead when i stay in new berlin. and i was full of machine parts... and when come RM pilot who ask him why is he here, that liberty ships are not welcome in rheindland you know what he make? dock on planet new berlin. that is roleplay ???? when police man say you you are not welcome in citiy you park in his garage ? and i can continue and type something with 450 pages with these examples...
but bad is that only what you see is that someone from official factions will restrict using capital ships. but you dont see why they need to be restricted... try to take look from other side on that.... and when someone want from indies ROLEPLAY on ROLEPLAY server, will he restrict them ????
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Akumabito - 06-10-2008
When the outcast leadership becomes unstable due to bad cardi, then any true outcast will refuse to follow them.
There are enough true outcasts to still get help on Malta in an emergency, but in truth most outcasts will avoid fighting their own and will find somewhere else to live until the command is restructured.
Until that time I heard the Junkers are looking for some cap ship captains and crews to help them out, called the [CSW].
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - chovynz - 06-10-2008
I really want to say something to you Akum right now that wouldnt help the situation.
Instead I'll settle for, please stop your hijacking, and selfish arrogant attitude.
Edit: See below.
/walks away from the computer. Akum is now put on my ignore list.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Akumabito - 06-10-2008
' Wrote:I really want to say something to you Akum right now that wouldnt help the situation.
Instead I'll settle for, please stop your hijacking, and selfish arrogant attitude.
You and the factions are the ones with a selfish arrogant attitude, I'm offering an RP way out for the victims of factions excesses.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - globalplayer-svk - 06-10-2008
' Wrote:When the outcast leadership becomes unstable due to bad cardi, then any true outcast will refuse to follow them.
There are enough true outcasts to still get help on Malta in an emergency, but in truth most outcasts will avoid fighting their own and will find somewhere else to live until the command is restructured.
Until that time I heard the Junkers are looking for some cap ship captains and crews to help them out, called the [CSW].
sorry but LOL. who control distribution of cardamine and who has the best cardamine you think? zoners???
and there are enough ture and loyal outcast that will follow their leaders.... so you will start civil war. nice idea.... and fter it yo usay what? that due to bad artifacts is corsair leadership unstable?
but to something is liberty,rheinalnd,kusari,bretonia leadership unstable? akumabito, this is ROLEPLAY, ROLEPLAY,ROLEPLAY,ROLEPLAY,ROLEPLAY server. not who has bigger ship server.... and IN ROLEPLAY you have 2 choices:
1:follow orders from leadership of oyur current faction
2: refuse to orders, and you are hostile to them and their allies.....
You and the factions are the ones with a selfish arrogant attitude, I'm offering an RP way out for the victims of factions excesses.
yes? RP way out? first force the indie cap ship whores who DONT ROLEPLAY to roleplay.. because these threads are about that. taht they dont roleplay ...
and i am victim of indie oorp cap whoring.... can you make way for me too please? becasue is really boring watch what is in gamma right now ....