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Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - The Savage - 01-27-2016
It's a quite tricky subject, since I found out that killing one group of Rheinland unlawfuls affects ALL Rheinland Unlawfuls, despite their in-lore differences regarding alignments on line Red Hessians<>Corsairs.
Maybe we should consider revision of "reputation affection" for Rheinland unlawfuls?
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - jammi - 01-27-2016
LWB and FA have nothing to do with one another due to geographic isolation. There's even a news article about it, explaining that they have almost identical causes, but are unlikely to ever actually meet due to the vast distances that separate them.
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - The Savage - 01-27-2016
(01-27-2016, 12:43 AM)jammi Wrote: LWB and FA have nothing to do with one another due to geographic isolation. There's even a news article about it, explaining that they have almost identical causes, but are unlikely to ever actually meet due to the vast distances that separate them.
Corrected.
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - Laura C. - 01-27-2016
(01-27-2016, 12:41 AM)Toris Wrote: It's a quite tricky subject, since I found out that killing one group of Rheinland unlawfuls affects ALL Rheinland Unlawfuls, despite their in-lore differences regarding alignments on line Red Hessians<>Corsairs.If, then only for Unioners. All others - Hessians, LWB, Bundschuh - work together so it makes sense their rep is linked. Unioners can be removed from the chain theoretically, but the subject is quite tricky, because generally their ties with Corsairs were meant to be hidden from others, however some player factions uncovered them in the past hence got into conflict with other Rheinland unlawfuls. Question is if we should consider this as valid reputation change, because in that case Unioners would be isolated as all other unlawful would hate them. So they would be effectively turned into Rheinland Xenos in regard to docking places and such.
Maybe we should consider revision of "reputation affection" for Rheinland unlawfuls?
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - The Savage - 01-27-2016
Red Hessians are also tricky, since they are ideological rivals to the Bundschuh - and I think the latter would rather "just tolerate" them, because they fight against Military.
I know enemy of my enemy is a common thing, but I don't think Red Hessians would actually mind someone who's enemy to Bundschuh and vice versa - unless it's Rheinland Military or Corsairs.
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - Char Aznable - 01-27-2016
Red Hessians are not and never have been ideological rivals of the Bundschuh. The hessians generally take a more leftist, socialist stance, but there's a big chunk of people in the Bundschuh that agrees with them on that. Granted, there are some divides, but if there weren't, there would not be two different factions. Mind you, btw, that the hessians and RS are not a problem - Hessians are far more opposed to Krüger.
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - The Savage - 01-27-2016
Well, this has been explained then. I'm quite surprised about that, since Bundschuh were depicted as strong democratic party - as opposed to regime-like stance of the current Bundestag. I thought same goes for communist influence over Rheinland, since Coalition has been known for butchering people in Sol and violating the most basic humane laws - so stigma of past precedessor would leave that uncertainity.
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - Laura C. - 01-27-2016
(01-27-2016, 09:36 AM)Toris Wrote: Red Hessians are also tricky, since they are ideological rivals to the Bundschuh - and I think the latter would rather "just tolerate" them, because they fight against Military.Not really. They fight the same fight from same position with same goal - to remove current government. Difference between them by lore is only in instruments they use. Bundies prefer to avoid violence and use propaganda if it is possible, while Hessians do not hesitate much about using force, for which they have resources in form of money from selling diamonds, ships and manpower (something what Bundies lack of).
Edit: Also what Char Aznable says.
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - Ryummel - 01-27-2016
(01-27-2016, 09:36 AM)Toris Wrote: Red Hessians are also tricky, since they are ideological rivals to the Bundschuh...
Why do we always have to read this kind of BS from your side? You should double-check your (poor) knowledge of the game lore before posting so that we save people's effort on explaining how horribly wrong you are most of the time, just as Char did here.
RE: Rheinland Unlawfuls and their complicated diplomatic ties - TheJarl - 01-27-2016
Red Hessians have an ideology which is communist while Bundschuh varies but is generally democratic and populist ranging from socialists closer to the Hessians to liberals, social-democrats and even some nationalists.
In methods there is a difference in that the Red Hessians are more ruthless and more militaristic. That is not to say that the Bundschuh are pacifist. There are more peaceful Bundschuh members, but they are still an armed group.
The most important difference however imo is in the commitment to their ideology. The Red Hessians are also pirates and smugglers and spend a lot of their firepower on a turfwar with the Corsairs outside of Rheinland. In fact most Hessian bases are away from Rheinland. On the other hand, the Bundschuh usually do not pirate and are inRP (there's vanilla rumours about this) funded by symphatizers amongst the population which allows them to focus on military and political targets without having to resort to crime in order to survive.
In short: Bundschuh are more moderate but also much more ideological. Red Hessians in theory have a more radical agenda yet in practice are often more involved with crime than revolution.
As for the real topic: Well Bundschuh - Unioner empathy I think is wrong in-game atm. NPC's shoot each other I believe but if you kill one it still affects the other incorrectly.
That is the only case where there should be negative empathy though. LWB and Red Hessians are probably still friendly or neutral-friendly to Unioners. Although I have been in a situation where Unioners and LWB shot each other (the former siding with the Corsairs and the latter against). Bundschuh to LWB relations is still allied, Bundschuh to Red Hessians is neutral-friendly (due to deep disagreements on methods used by Hessians the relation has kinda soured over the years)