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700m/s Debilitators - =Hellfire= - 11-18-2016
We have a few 700m/s guns out there, so why do we only have 2 different types of debilitators like 650 and 750m/s?
Wouldn't it be logical if we also had Debs with 700m/s?
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Shelco - 11-18-2016
Yeah but we have bad debs because we have bad devs.
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Inferno - 11-18-2016
The only 700m/s Debs are Gallic ones(because thier civilian guns are 750m/s)
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Operator - 11-18-2016
but is there a point in using 650 debs? 'cus everything that has more than 4.00 refire rate doesn't needs debs, they'd just waste your weapon slots and firepower
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Inferno - 11-18-2016
(11-18-2016, 02:46 PM)Operator Wrote: but is there a point in using 650 debs? 'cus everything that has more than 4.00 refire rate doesn't needs debs, they'd just waste your weapon slots and firepower
Incorrect. Anything BELOW 4.00 refire don't need Debils (because at that point you are shotgunning)
The fact is that you need Debilitators is as clear as the fact that you need UAU8.
And when did refire get into this conversation? This is about weapon speed.
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Inferno - 11-18-2016
Well, lets analyze like this:
The majority of House Civilian guns(Garands, Flamewerfer(whatever), whatever Kusari has, Bluebells) are 700m/s. Logicly, the Debilitator series(whoever made these is rich. I want to RP that.) is 'military formatted' but 'civilian made.'
I would think the reasoning behind this is more of a gameplay balance instead of just lazy devwork(lookin' at you John. :p) because if we had 700m/s debils, every pirate-bounty hunter-Cyberlancer(Misfit :pp) would be running around with the mix of high refire-medium speed loadouts(and the Civilian weapons do considerable DPS for some reason)
Regardless, it would be better if you trained your aim for desync'd shield-and-hullbusters. It makes the enemies angry when they cant dodge all the shots.
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Traxit - 11-18-2016
I have never noticed any significant difference in my hit-ratio when using 750ms debs with 700ms hullbusters (or vice-versa with 650ms debs). 700ms aren't a necessity in my opinion.
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Haste - 11-18-2016
I think it adds a nice bit of flavor and decision-making to not have perfectly synced debs for every refire, honestly. Plus 50ms is a negligible difference for "desync" anyways.
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Yeggito - 11-18-2016
Uh....I thought that you just use one weapon group for shieldbusters; once the shields are down, one then switches to weapon group two, which has hullbusters.
Therefore, syncing of refire rates isn't an issue, and you use energy for the job at hand. I mapped these to Q and E, so the WASD can be used for strafing.
Yes, 600 m/s - 750 m/s will make a difference, on how the projectile tracks in relationship to your ship while moving, but it's a slight difference. Perhaps I'm not "elite" enough, or tuned into correctly, to notice.
Am I just waaaaaay out of touch to what the norm is? I feel like I'm missing something.
RE: 700m/s Debilitators - Haste - 11-18-2016
You use hullbusters+debs on shields. You lose out on far too much DPS otherwise. Although anyone half-decent will likely use a deb-only group for deshielding in groupfights when low on core.