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The purpose of the Wilde. - Drake - 01-14-2009
I was pondering recently, as I occasionally do, and I got to wondering what logical reason to nomads have for making the Wilde. And I mean the Wilde who fly around in ships attacking people, not the Wilde who secretly infiltrate the Rhineland government. I mean, the way I see it, the only reason why a nomad would infest a human would be to try and infiltrate human society. It doesn't make sense to go to the trouble of infesting humans just so they can use the inferior human equipment to shoot other humans with. Wouldn't it be easier to just stay in their normal squishy purple forms and kill humans with their normal squishy purple ships? Unless they were trying to make it look like an attack by pirates or terrorists, rather than aliens... But then they go broadcasting the fact that they are, in fact, infested, ruining the whole thing.
What's the point?
The purpose of the Wilde. - Bjorn - 01-14-2009
Maybe if you read more, you will notice that Wilde were "abandoned" of sorts by nomads, and now are wandering around as remdant forces.
The purpose of the Wilde. - farmerman - 01-14-2009
I suppose there are many reasons, but one big one that always stuck out to me was the psychological impact. While purple squishy beings are pretty scary, the fact that one can routinely see infested humans flying around seems like it would make a person think it could happen to them or their friends. And that would lead to further suspicions among people that anyone else might be a Wild.
So, basically (atleast in my view), to make sure people don't forget the nomads can, literally, get into their heads. :)
The purpose of the Wilde. - Drake - 01-14-2009
Quote:Das Wilde (translating in English to The Wild) is an umbrella term referring to the various infested individuals of national origin or affiliation with the Federal Republic of Rheinland. They are most commonly former Rheinwehr officers from the Nomad War of 800-803 A.S. It is a common misconception that Das Wilde is a term for any infested human, but while infestation exists in all areas of Sirius, only the successors to the infested forces within the Niemann administration can lay claim to the Germanic title of Das Wilde.Nothing implies that they're stuck in Rhineland. They're only a couple of jumps from the Omicrons where regular old nomads are a fairly regular sight. I'm sure they know they way. Why wouldn't the 'normal' nomads accept them back with open, er, tentacles?
As far as psychological warfare goes, I think it would be a lot scarier to the average person to know that the infested are around somewhere, hiding in the human population (even the government?), but not see them flying around in space being all obvious about it and getting shot up by the RM. That makes people feel good, to see them getting blown to bits, rather than living in quiet fear of those who lurk among them.
Edit: On the other hand, if they're supposedly all cut off from the 'collective' nomad consciousness...
Quote:Little is known about the Slomon K'Hara, except that they inhabit ships, ancient stations and cities. Latest research studies also suggest that their society is highly collectively oriented, with larger, more sophisticated subspecies controlling the lower ones. While it is possible for a Slomon K'Hara to lose it's connection to the collective, this is a very rare occurrence, and most of those who are disconnected are trapped between the two races, eventually falling victim to either the humans of Sirius or their still connected brethren.... Then it makes no sense for them to be allied with other nomads/Keepers. That quote implies that the other nomads may actually 'put them down' if encountered.
The purpose of the Wilde. - farmerman - 01-14-2009
Quote:As far as psychological warfare goes, I think it would be a lot scarier to the average person to know that the infested are around somewhere, hiding in the human population (even the government?), but not see them flying around in space being all obvious about it and getting shot up by the RM. That makes people feel good, to see them getting blown to bits, rather than living in quiet fear of those who lurk among them.
My view was that it was a two step process - you have the obvious reminder to keep the idea in everyone's minds, as well as reminding them that there are others who aren't quite so obvious.
Plus there is the issue of if an undercover Wild was found out, it would be pretty hard to stay undercover, but a waste of resources to just off the human.
The purpose of the Wilde. - Treewyrm - 01-14-2009
Quote:As far as psychological warfare goes, I think it would be a lot scarier to the average person to know that the infested are around somewhere, hiding in the human population (even the government?), but not see them flying around in space being all obvious about it and getting shot up by the RM. That makes people feel good, to see them getting blown to bits, rather than living in quiet fear of those who lurk among them.And who said there aren't any? Is that your conclusion? If you didn't see them then you probably didn't pay enough attention, looked at a different direction. Did you actually try to find out who around could be involved in conspiracies related to the subject? After all, the purpose is to remain hidden while scheming, plotting and burrowing deeper till the very right moment comes, not jumping the wagon and telling everyone "I am a spy!" obviously, that would be telling. Don't expect that to happen, that would be very naive. So, what can you do? Look closer, become paranoid, suspect your friends they are possibly in league with the Nomads/Wilde, try to unravel the mystery before it's too late, if you are bold enough. As it has been said: the truth is out there. But it will not come to you on it's own. Let's just say that on the surface you might see nothing, just as it should be, but underneath... conspiracies, plans put in motion to be executed in albeit slow but time flows different in their case anyway. Meanwhile it is good for them if your characters blissfully remain in the clouds, serves the purpose well enough, don't you think?
The purpose of the Wilde. - Drake - 01-14-2009
' Wrote:And who said there aren't any? Is that your conclusion? If you didn't see them then you probably didn't pay enough attention, looked at a different direction. Did you actually try to find out who around could be involved in conspiracies related to the subject? After all, the purpose is to remain hidden while scheming, plotting and burrowing deeper till the very right moment comes, not jumping the wagon and telling everyone "I am a spy!" obviously, that would be telling. Don't expect that to happen, that would be very naive. So, what can you do? Look closer, become paranoid, suspect your friends they are possibly in league with the Nomads/Wilde, try to unravel the mystery before it's too late, if you are bold enough. As it has been said: the truth is out there. But it will not come to you on it's own. Let's just say that on the surface you might see nothing, just as it should be, but underneath... conspiracies, plans put in motion to be executed in albeit slow but time flows different in their case anyway. Meanwhile it is good for them if your characters blissfully remain in the clouds, serves the purpose well enough, don't you think?
Uhm, never said there wasn't, I assumed there was. But that's not the topic. I'm wondering about why the nomads would bother infesting humans so they can climb into a human ship and go out and shoot other humans, all the while making the fact that they're infested obvious, rather than just shooting humans in their normal squishy form with their normal squishy ships. I mean, they can grow those ships, rather than having to bother building them. Infesting humans for the purpose of brute assault, rather than infiltration, seems pointless.
The purpose of the Wilde. - Treewyrm - 01-14-2009
Quote:... Then it makes no sense for them to be allied with other nomads/Keepers. That quote implies that the other nomads may actually 'put them down' if encountered.No argument has been brought to such ridiculous statement other than "it makes no sense". How exactly that doesn't make sense?! That quote implies absolutely nothing, it's your very very wild guess, and it is your knowledge that is lacking it seems in these matters, so how about you politely ask for explanation if you are truly and genuinely interested before actually making such "conclusion". And here is a bit: they're not disconnected entirely, there are communication drop downs but they are not separate, far from that. In 4.85 travel to Iota to find out more on the subject.
' Wrote:Uhm, never said there wasn't, I assumed there was. But that's not the topic. I'm wondering about why the nomads would bother infesting humans so they can climb into a human ship and go out and shoot other humans, all the while making the fact that they're infested obvious, rather than just shooting humans in their normal squishy form with their normal squishy ships. I mean, they can grow those ships, rather than having to bother building them. Infesting humans for the purpose of brute assault, rather than infiltration, seems pointless.Again, you fail to consider factors in play. The ships don't come out of thin air, and technology behind Scorpions is a highly advanced one, quite an intricate process and requires delicate materials, so it takes considerable amount of resources and time to create them. In many ways they are pretty much experimental. Compared to them sturdy human ships are easy to come by, easy to be built, but require human pilot, hence some are infested for the purpose to be controller of the ship. How about you asking first before labeling "pointless/makes no sense" left and right, Drake? You could you do that in a bit more approachable manner, could you?
The purpose of the Wilde. - Drake - 01-14-2009
I'm pretty approachable. By 'pointless' I mean 'seems pointless to me', until someone explains why they aren't, in fact, pointless.
Scorpions weren't what I was talking about. Most Wilde use Rhineland military ships, which they have to build (presumably). What purpose do they serve which wouldn't be better served by the growable nomad fighters, which are both easier to produce (presumably) and which don't require a human host?
If Scorpions require a human pilot (do they? I thought they were basically remote controlled), then that makes sense to have infected to pilot them. However, why weren't they constructed so that a normal nomad could pilot them? And that doesn't explain all the Wilde in Wraiths (the majority).
Undercover Wilde spies/operative: Gotcha, I understand their purpose.
Wilde Scorpion pilots: Alright, if they're necessary (why are they?), then they're necessary, so that explains them.
Wilde fighter pilots: I don't understand their purpose.
' Wrote:No argument has been brought to such ridiculous statement other than "it makes no sense". How exactly that doesn't make sense?! That quote implies absolutely nothing, it's your very very wild guess, and it is your knowledge that is lacking it seems in these matters, so how about you politely ask for explanation if you are truly and genuinely interested before actually making such "conclusion". And here is a bit: they're not disconnected entirely, there are communication drop downs but they are not separate, far from that. In 4.85 travel to Iota to find out more on the subject.
'Wiki' Wrote:While it is possible for a Slomon K'Hara to lose it's connection to the collective, this is a very rare occurrence, and most of those who are disconnected are trapped between the two races, eventually falling victim to either the humans of Sirius or their still connected brethren.This implies that nomads who are no longer connected to the consciousness are destroyed by other nomads who are. And that was in reply to Bjorn who suggested that they were abandoned by the other nomads, I was pointing out that that made little sense.
My questions have been polite, I've merely expressed my lack of understanding and the reasons why it doesn't make sense to me. You, however, are getting rather nasty, with no provocation.
The purpose of the Wilde. - farmerman - 01-14-2009
Quote:Wilde fighter pilots: I don't understand their purpose.
A lot of them are leftover from the previous intrusion into Rheinland when they tried to take over everything. So while it makes sense to make new nomad ships and scorpions, they still have a good deal of forces. Why abandon that?