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Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - Impyness - 03-04-2018
=DSE-Baltimore and =DSE-Enterprise has been sanctioned for:
Consequences:
Quote:5.5 Connecting to the server with more than one character at a time (Multiboxing). Players who share a network connection and play together must not engage in trading/mining while doing so.
Consequences:
Both ships in bastille until an explanation is posted.
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RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - DSE|= - 03-04-2018
This is a dad/daughter situation. We are simply building the base. We keep separate mining and trading activities, but would think building the base is neither.
We obviously have the same IP but are on different computers etc.
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - Festus McBoyle - 03-04-2018
I am in Baltimore.
Here is a link to consider.
We have been shipping different commodities so as to keep separation and do indeed mine and trade as separate operations. We only needed to finish trucking Ship hulls to complete a storage mode so both of us were doing that.
https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=152739
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - Impyness - 03-04-2018
When two people with the same connection are online only one is allowed to be trading or mining. It does not mean that you may both trade or mine as long as it is in different systems.
Given that this seems to be a misunderstanding, once both of you post to say that you understand the problem the ships can be taken out of bastille.
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - Paddy. - 03-05-2018
Opps... accidentally posted wrong place. Delete!
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - Festus McBoyle - 03-05-2018
I have a feeling this is a little problematic. But it should get clarification to some of the ambiguity surrounding the rules.
5.5 Connecting to the server with more than one character at a time (Multiboxing). Players who share a network connection and play together must not engage in trading/mining while doing so.
- Trading and mining are used to make credits. So is pirating for that matter. Military craft are not profit making, nor is building a POB. They are credit takers, not makers.
- Dad and I are in a DSE faction, which makes its credits by trading and mining. I only have two DSE ships, and I think Dad has only two. One Mastadon and one Rhino each.
- The rule says we can play together but not engage in trading/mining. (The word together is the key term here). It implies separation of activities when mining and transporting so long as we are not helping each other to do it.
It doesn't negate us playing together to construct a POB, fight enemy, and do other things according to our ID. Because we only have mining and transporting ships, and that is DSE's bread and butter work, their raison d'être, how is going to work out? It means we cannot play DSE online at the same time doing our core business. This is a conundrum.
Then, if we are playing at the same time, I mining and transporting gold ore as a Molly, say, and Dad doing the same with copper/platinum as DSE, we may be both on doing the same thing but not in a faction nor together. (We don't know the bulk of each others ships, and we shouldn't need to). This is pretty much the same as being in a faction working independently of each other.
So. What can and what can't we do? The rule does not negate us doing separate actions in mining or trading, but forbids us mining for each other, and travelling (trading) together. My credits are what I have have earned as a DSE franchise holder. Dad can earn his own.
I am happy to refrain from flying my DSE ships if Dad is using his in the interim, and vice versa for Dad I suspect, if we can get our ships back.
Cheers!
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - DSE|= - 03-05-2018
There is no doubt we are enjoying the RP being in the same faction. And I think it was possibly remiss, in hindsight, to be seen working together carting hull plates building a base even though neither of us thinks base building is trading or mining.
The wording of the Rule, as has been pointed out by my dear darling daughter, can be taken as not to be playing together mining or trading. We keep both our regular mining and transporting separate as it is important to support the spirit for which the rule is written. Namely Multiboxing - one player running two (or more) ships simultaneously.
We have been playing our own game for the last six months independently and much of the time we probably have both been on at the same time. This is the first faction we have been in together, and we prefer our own Independence when mining or trading (making credits). But we also enjoy building bases together, and building =DSE- as a faction.
Never-the-less there is a bit of a quandary being in a trade/mining faction together living at the same address. As Undertaker rightly pointed out that mining and transportation are the DSE's raison d'être. It is necessary to abide by the rules, and it is necessary for =DSE- to go about their lawful business.
I'm going to flick this back to the Admin to give direction on this.
I also like Undertaker am happy to refrain from flying my DSE ships if she is using hers in the interim pending the deliberations of the Admin. Hopefully we both can get our ships returned as we need them at a crucial stage of base building.
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - Impyness - 03-05-2018
Both ships out of bastille.
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - DSE|= - 03-05-2018
Thankyou Impy. I know this may have been a bit of bother to you. But thanks for doing your job. Anarchy would reign if it wasn't for the effective vetting done by Admin.
I still would like some clarification regarding how two family members can playing in a mining/trading clan without compromising the rule.
5.5 Connecting to the server with more than one character at a time (Multiboxing). Players who share a network connection and play together must not engage in trading/mining while doing so.
In a mining and trading faction it would mean we can not be in-game at all which defeats us playing in the same faction.
It may be a case of taking each case on its merits. So long as we are not aiding and abetting each other directly, by visibly trading or mining for each other, then use discretion. The Rule is good, the situation is unusual.
As a case in point. The school I am in says students must be clean shaven. Yet if you are a Sikh you cannot shave your beard, so the rule is still there but the School Board gives dispensation, on certain proviso's.
That permission for us to fly at the same time but independently of each other, a proviso, needs to be given by the Admin. Possible?
RE: Players Bastilled: =DSE-Baltimore, =DSE-Enterprise - Tunicle - 03-05-2018
"That permission for us to fly at the same time but independently of each other, a proviso, needs to be given by the Admin. Possible?" yes , that is fine, but we do not have infallible memories so if it happens again just remind us of this post - Tunicle.