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[Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - TheSauron - 10-30-2025
Type: Economy
Bug: Inconsistent FOW availability
Additional Information: There seem to be a ton of bases selling only select FOW commodities in a way that makes no sense. Many bases sell Water, but not Oxygen (which is produced from Water), others do not sell Water despite being in an Ice field. Affected bases include Islay, Providence, Kirkwall, Holmfirth, Atacama, Sournia, Montezuma, Alcatraz, Mactan and Mull, and I assume there's many more cases of this.
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - Krmloo - 10-31-2025
I would consider Oxygen more of a flavour commodity at this point, as FO is being passively produced from Water on PoBs.
While Oxygen is indeed produced from Water inRP, that would depend on the station's life support system implied throughput.
On the other hand, bases missing Water sellpoints might be a problem - could you provide examples of bases not selling Water despite infocards and/or locations (ice field proximity?) implying otherwise?
Same goes for missing or extra Oxygen sellpoints, would need to look into each base separately.
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - TheSauron - 10-31-2025
Most of the bases I listed in the original report are missing Oxygen. All of them are inside ice fields. Out of those listed, Alcatraz, Montezuma and Sournia are examples of ice field bases with no water on it.
Regarding whether or not Oxygen is a flavour commodity, I disagree. Having access to a full FOW set lets you skip hydroponics and free up a base module slot. I noticed this issue precisely because I was surveying possible base locations. Of course I know you're not supposed to have everything everywhere, but far as I'm aware Food availability is what is supposed to determine the need for Hydroponics. Besides, bases within ice fields in particular should have more than enough of a Water surplus to use some for Oxygen and fuel production on the side.
Ultimately this isn't that big of a deal, but it does feel like a somewhat arbitrary limitation to have. Doubly so since it primarily impacts unlawful bases which are already an uphill battle as is.
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - Krmloo - 10-31-2025
Out of the mentioned bases, only Alcatraz and Sournia are not Water resellers - both intended. Alcatraz - because of the depleted ice field, Sournia - because of the disrepair and I'll also be removing the Oxygen sellpoint from it.
Looking into bases selling Oxygen but not water, found Abigny - will add a Water sellpoint there. Other seem to make sense as either consumers, arid destinations or closed-loop systems.
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - Krmloo - 10-31-2025
Montezuma has a water sellpoint: https://i.postimg.cc/Jngjy0Bc/image.png
For missing Oxygen sellpoints - I'm okay with adding them where it makes sense if you provide the examples. Most of the small unlawful bases don't seem like viable Oxygen resellers able to fill massive transports.
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - TheSauron - 10-31-2025
No unlawful base in Sirius is going to have the spare Oxygen to fill entire transports. This is simply a matter of econ design, and whether econ wants these basic supplies to be available off unlawful bases. Personally, I'm of the opinion the unlawful PoB economy is in absolute shambles and any improvement will go a long way to fixing it. But that's besides the point of this specific report.
Islay, Lisburn, Mull, Kirkwall, Providence, Sournia, Mactan, Ramsey, Boulogne, Eplessier. Probably some other Gallic ones as well but those are the ones I could check right now. All of these I think are justified in having access to Oxygen, many of them could probably do with Food Rations as well (Lisburn, Boulogne, the likes).
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - Krmloo - 10-31-2025
Noted. Current stance on the Oxygen availability is more towards flavour than non-hydroponics unlawful PoB viability, but I'll go over the mentioned bases anyway, for both that and Food.
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - Krmloo - 10-31-2025
Note that synth paste is functionally equivalent to food rations, which fills this role on a lot of unlawful bases.
Ramsey - added oxygen;
Boulogne - added water;
Mull - added synth paste.
RE: [Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - Krmloo - 10-31-2025
Thinking about Sournia again - I'm reverting the oxygen change and adding a water sellpoint there - should be selling both now due to the proximity to the ice field.
Fix awaiting release.
[Economy] Inconsistent FOW availability - Krmloo - 10-31-2025
Fix awaiting release