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Consultation: Privateers - jammi - 11-28-2025 Hi all. I'm putting out a public consultation to gather some views on a future direction of development. As many of you may know, the Bretonian Privateer ID existed through the Gallic War, and was discontinued afterwards for a lack of purpose. I'm mulling over some options about the Privateers, however it's not necessary that they're re-introduced as an NPC faction or separate ID - their activities could be reflected perfectly well through lore fluff and a pirate ID. Rather than making assumptions about community preferences, I figured I'd open that decision for discussion instead. Background: The Privateers were initially an asymmetric raiding force that was loosely-unofficially affiliated with the BAF. Captains were issued with letters of marque during the Tau War between Bretonia and Kusari. These letters were basically stamps of approval by the Bretonian government / crown for the bearer to carry out authorised acts of piracy. They were ordered to interdict enemy shipping and logistics, with that role continuing after Gallia's emergence. Despite that, the quality of captain and the tactics they deployed became more and more unsavoury as the war progressed. This was tolerated as a matter of necessity, and their autonomy meant their activities were more or less deniable. After the collapse of the Gallic crown, many privateers continued to attack Confederal Gallic shipping, or even neutral targets operating in the Taus (a frequent source of friction with the IMG and Zoners). When the Gallic Enclave were eventually defeated in Edinburgh in 827 AS, the Bretonian government rescinded all outstanding letters of marque, initiating a crackdown on privateers who'd turned pirate. There were mass arrests, with many others going to ground or turning full pirate. Present: Relations between Bretonia and the Gallic Union are icy, given that the Union was formed through the merger of the Gallic Confederacy and Enclave. Bretonia considers that it suffered an act of genocide in Leeds, for which no reparations or restitution have ever been made. They further accuse Gallia of sheltering and rehabilitating the Enclave perpetrators of the Leeds genocide. Whether this latter sentiment is actually true is debatable, but it is a prevailing opinion in Bretonian society, and fuels an incredible amount of hatred and resentment towards Gallia as a whole. This feeling of grievance has been accelerated by the deteriorating situation within Bretonia itself, as living standards continually fall and reconstruction funds are diverted into the military to recapture Dublin and secure the Tau borders. Many Bretonians feel that Gallia has escaped justice, with war criminals remaining unpunished in Sirian courts. Many are also furious with Rheinland following the Treaty of Orelikon, which ignores Bretonian sanctions against Gallia to throw open the doors to the Sirian economy. Many of the most radical malcontents have taken to signing off their communications with "444", meaning "4 billion souls for 4 billion lost", a call for an eye for an eye campaign of vengeance against Gallic citizens. The Bretonian state itself is both unwilling and unable to execute such a violent and nakedly amoral campaign, but many high-profile individuals once associated with the Privateers have now served their prison sentences and been released. They are resentful of the impotence of the government that betrayed them, and tapping into the rage of the broader public. They have rearmed, raised their old banner -- perhaps ironically -- as a pirate gang, and set sail for the Omegas. They intend to launch strikes from Stuttgart to Champagne, disrupting Gallic operations, punishing Rheinland collaboration, and killing until the scales are balanced. Options: a) The Privateers remain a non-mechanical element of worldbuilding (like the other Ithaca gangs), reflecting growing violent Bretonian xenophobia as one of the reactions to loss, deprivation, growing tensions with Gallia, and the perception of state failures. Players wanting to represent these story elements are able to do so with a pirate ID. b) A Privateer ID is implemented without an associated NPC faction. This provides access to Bretonian and Gallic civilian techcells, and the Bretonian unlawful/black market tech cell. Rephacked hostile to lawful factions (including Bretonian). Would likely provide combat lines on Gallic and Rheinland shipping in the Alsace Passage systems, and piracy lines elsewhere in ZoI. c) A full NPC faction is implemented. As above, and initially allied with the LWB due to mutual interests in Stuttgart, Cologne and Zurich. Future development would likely deal with the views of the Maquis as the Privateers escalate their attacks. Rare NPC spawns would be added pathing from Ithaca Base in Omega-7, out across Stuttgart, and Cologne. Discuss! RE: Consultation: Privateers - A Magpie - 11-28-2025 Suggestion: Instead name them Phantoms. Serious answer: Bretonian privateers were cool when they were rolled out, and would most likely be something of the type unofficially tolerated by CDI out in the Omega boonies because they're at least not harassing Bretonian citizens. They'd fit perfectly well at any of the three levels you've proposed, although at that point, one would have to ask what the faction mechanically offers that everyone else in the region doesn't. You've answered that pretty well, and it's a nifty collection of techcells. RE: Consultation: Privateers - jammi - 11-28-2025 (11-28-2025, 12:37 PM)A Magpie Wrote: one would have to ask what the faction mechanically offers that everyone else in the region doesn't. That's basically the issue, isn't it? Is the extra flavour / options for expression worth the mechanical overlap with other local groups? RE: Consultation: Privateers - A Magpie - 11-28-2025 I'd honestly say that Bret Privateer NPCs would probably make for some cool encounter zones at the very least. An eclectic assortment of Sirius-wide tech you don't see anywhere else. RE: Consultation: Privateers - Enkidu - 11-28-2025 (11-28-2025, 12:42 PM)jammi Wrote:(11-28-2025, 12:37 PM)A Magpie Wrote: one would have to ask what the faction mechanically offers that everyone else in the region doesn't. The Zurich-Champagne bit muscles in on the things Unioners should be doing - AKA, being the Rheinland-Gallia trans-border underworld group. Other than that, it's largely interesting. At the same time, it would be interesting to see an Ithaca group that isn't on the same side of things as the Red Hessians. If the Alsace Passage bits were cut, I'd consider it unique. RE: Consultation: Privateers - Toaster - 11-28-2025 The charm of privateering is that it is essentially quasi-legal piracy, which is quirky and provides interesting and unique avenues for RP. This revival of the Bretonian Privateers just sounds like a terrorist organization out to kill civilians, something else entirely and far from unique. Reintroducing an actual privateering faction would be cool, just adding another terrorist faction seems redundant. RE: Consultation: Privateers - Enkidu - 11-28-2025 Note that there also are other ways to keep the faction focused against Gallic investments in Rheinland, without stealing thunder in Zurich. There's plenty of Gallic investiture all across Rheinland. Frankfurt is a good example of this, although that might not work on a locational basis if you want to tie them to Ithaca, Jammi. RE: Consultation: Privateers - Proselyte - 11-28-2025 I was thinking about those 444 buoys just last week, wondering whether that revenge-seeking rage was going to surge spaceward someday. So, this is exciting. I think a full implementation of Privateers as another element of the Bret domestic unlawful scene is a solid goal in the long run, but aside from Providence Station in Edinburgh and Ithaca in O-7, they don't seem to have many places to roost in their own House when it's all Gaian and Molly bases in the fields. Right now, they don't seem materially distinct enough from being "opinionated Independent Pirates" to go all the way with it. I tend to think Option B is a solid early-game plan if setting them up for their own NPC faction someday is a goal you want to have. They just need some storytelling to grow to that prominence. Or it could just stay this way as the status quo, a little quirk of the region. Option A works plenty fine if you don't wanna commit to that for the future. Building on Toaster/Enkidu: the moniker of "Privateers", while Freelancery and distinct, does seem misapplied if their ambition in life is to stack 4 billion bodies, so they might need a new name. As for Rheinland, I'd think the anti-Gallia Brets would focus on the Taus and towards Gallia itself. Going after investment in Rheinland and the Alsace corridor does give them multiple Houses to pick on, but in terms of feel it does kinda pull them away from who should be their intended target. EDIT: I know it's technically closer, but the way it's laid out on the map, going through Rheinland to punch Gallia just registers in my mind as "an extra step". RE: Consultation: Privateers - Enkidu - 11-28-2025 (11-28-2025, 01:14 PM)Proselyte Wrote: Building on Toaster/Enkidu: the moniker of "Privateers", while Freelancery and distinct, does seem misapplied if their ambition in life is to stack 4 billion bodies, so they might need a new name. As for Rheinland, I'd think the anti-Gallia Brets would focus on the Taus and towards Gallia itself. Going after investment in Rheinland and the Alsace corridor does give them multiple Houses to pick on, but in terms of feel it does kinda pull them away from who should be their intended target. Buccaneers, perhaps? The Bretonian Buccaneers? This would reflect the movement in agenda. Less 'Sir Francis Drake' and more 'Henry Morgan'. RE: Consultation: Privateers - jammi - 11-28-2025 (11-28-2025, 01:14 PM)Proselyte Wrote: As for Rheinland, I'd think the anti-Gallia Brets would focus on the Taus and towards Gallia itself. Going after investment in Rheinland and the Alsace corridor does give them multiple Houses to pick on, but in terms of feel it does kinda pull them away from who should be their intended target. My rationale here is that there is minimal Gallic civilian activity in the Taus, given that Gallia "formally" relinquished its stakes in Tau-23 through the Treaty of Rishiri. 90% of external trade by Gallic corporations would route through the Alsace Passage, given that Rheinland is their only official state trade partner. Anyone who is looking to target Gallic trade (and also those cooperating with them) would almost certainly focus on Alsace, given that it is also less secure than either Gallic or Rheinland core space. For a Bretonian effort, focusing on the Omega side also seems more likely due to its proximity to Sprague, where a significant portion of Leeds expats and survivors ended up. There'd be a relatively big support base there, and probably also opportunities for fencing goods. |