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Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - reisiger_duke - 07-14-2009
Quote:"Hathor" Class Order GunboatNow... if this gunboat has been designed by Zoners... how come they're not also built by them?
When the Zoners constructed their gunboat, a more offensive variant prototype was developed at the same time. This design was then secretly shared with the Order, who then developed plans for large scale construction. Thus was birthed the Hathor. Acting mainly as an anti-fighter/bomber ship, this successful class rapidly became the most produced capital class vessel in the Order. With an advanced reactor and superior targeting system, the Hathor has superior firepower, to meet the needs of its intended role; to reduce any hostile scouts trying to penetrate Order territory to their core, flaming, components.
As the 'Conference' class gunboat is designed to replace the 'Dromedary' freighter - a pretty costly replacement tho :unsure:- shouldn't the Zoners be able to build "a more offensive variant" aswell - sort of like the Kusari have the Explorer and the Navy Gunship?
What I'd like to suggest is to - additionally to where it is sold to/by the Order - have the 'Corinth' station in Omicron 74 sell the vessel as "Zoner Guard only" ship and adjust the infocard to something like this:
Quote:"Hathor" Class Order/Zoner Gunboat
When the Zoners constructed their gunboat, a more offensive variant prototype was developed at the same time. This design was then secretly shared with the Order, who then developed plans for large scale construction. Thus was birthed the Hathor. Acting mainly as an anti-fighter/bomber ship, this successful class rapidly became the most produced capital class vessel in the Order. With an advanced reactor and superior targeting system, the Hathor has superior firepower, to meet the needs of its intended role; to reduce any hostile scouts trying to penetrate Order territory to their core, flaming, components.
Seeing how successful the Order used the Hathor to fight back hostile fighters, the Zoners started producing their own gunboat design in 817 A.S., in order to increase their escort pilots chances to counter the increase of Nomad activity and incursions of recent years. As this was of course met with suspicion by the Orders enemies, only Zoner Guard pilots were allowed to use it, as they were deemed to have their cultures common ideals at heart and behave accordingly.
This way the 'Conference' gunboat would be available as 'the' unaligned gunboat anyone could buy, while the Zoner Guard would (re-)gain access to a gunboat design (they had access to in the first place anyway:crazy:) which is more offensive.
Thoughts? Comments?
Kind Regards
Reisiger
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - globalplayer-svk - 07-14-2009
for what need zoner stronger gunboat? for roleplay?... sure no...
and zoner in gunboat is not trader, so no reason to have fear from pirates.
so why?
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - Lunaphase - 07-14-2009
I agree with this idea. It makes no sense they designed it but currently dont have acces to it.
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - Capt. Henry Morgan - 07-14-2009
' Wrote:for what need zoner stronger gunboat? for roleplay?... sure no...
and zoner in gunboat is not trader, so no reason to have fear from pirates.
so why?
For enforcing Freeport NFZ's and defending against enemies who care naught for Zoner neutrality.
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - Jinx - 07-14-2009
it was my idea to have the order build their own gunboat based on the zoner design...
why is that so?
zoners and order are quite a good alliance - and even one that makes sense. - but they haven t had much to "share" other than RP informations and benefits. ( which is a lot, but not too much after all )
since Legenation left and was never seen again - and so his gunboat design vanished, too.... i thought its a good idea to make it so that the zoners, who would get their own gunboat in 4.85 - also offered one to the order.
if you look closely - you ll see that even the zoner gunboat has a few "unused" hardpoints. - it has enough to equip 8 guns actually. - but the zoners ( in RP ) decided that ... while they are undoubtly brilliant capital ship makers .... wouldn t "need" such an overpowered gunboat.
they need a heavily armoured transport for important supplies that reach their destination.. and you can be sure that - if you want to deliver something, a zoner gunboat WILL get to the destination. - thats all thats about it.
the order on the other hand need a gunboat that can also fight. - so their gunboat is based on the zoner ship ( in RP, why should the order as a close ally construct their very own, when they can use the base structure of the conference ) - so the order gunboat is one of the least agile but most heavily armed ( the zoner gunboat is the most agile btw. - more agile than the BHG gunship )
in RP - zoners don t have a need for an eight gun gunboat. - and its the order that builds it. - the basic structure is the conference, but the propulsion and reactor is order tech. - its "shared" technology.
if a zoner asked really really nicely and had a good reason to fly it - i am most certain that the order will consider it.... but usually, zoners don t need such a beast. - flying with such a gunboat makes life harder, not easier.
about enforcing the NFZ. - so far, i hadn t had to fire a single shot to enforce the NFZ. - a sharp word, a hidden threat ( or a not so hidden threat ) is often enough. - if you cannot achive it with a conference, chances are that you cannot enforce it with a hathor either... you might win a fight, but you have lost the more important fight ( which is - to show authority )
in a direct comparison - the conference might not defeat the hathor easily ( if you must duel ) - but its not helpless. - twin screamer mines can do a LOT of damage to an enemy gunboats shield ( much more than a pair of pulse guns ) - and three razors are not to be ignored. - meanwhile, the conference ( while being a large target alright ) can still fly circles around the hathor.... easily.
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - Lunaphase - 07-14-2009
Jinx, i take it you havent seen how many NFZ violators and nomad/wilde attacks there are now adays. Conferences just cant do the job. IF the intent is just to GET stuff there then the zoners NEED a real gunboat. it makes no sense as to why they dont have one for defending their freeports.
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - Jinx - 07-14-2009
of course i can only speak for the times when i m online AND on the Jinx char. - but i never really had trouble making it clear that the zoners mean business when it was about enforcing the NFZ.
well, and i don t see a problem to upgrade to a fearless if a conference doesn t cut the mustard.
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - globalplayer-svk - 07-14-2009
lunaphase, when attacked nomads freeport last time?
and are you sure, that better gunboat is what you need to stop that attack? or what when then nomads/wilde ask for 10 turret gunboat?because all their enemies have 8 turret gunboat and they have only 6?
where it end then ?
zoners are in rp neutral, for fightings nomads, they have order as ally.
and to the nfz violators, i think zoners solve it with diplomatic things first.
what i dont like, are people always asking better ships, because someone other has better.
btw you realizes that corsair gb is even better as order?
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - Lunaphase - 07-14-2009
Um, we more meant it makes no sense for an RP zoner developed ship NOT to be available to zoners. give the conference 2 more guns, but as a gb it really cant fight any of the enemys we fight, and bringing a cruiser vs a gunboat seems rather unsporting.
Hathor Gunboat - Zoner design but only Order build it? - Elsdragon - 07-14-2009
When the Zoners constructed their gunboat, a more offensive variant prototype was developed at the same time. This design was then secretly shared with the Order, who then developed plans for large scale construction. Thus was birthed the Hathor. Acting mainly as an anti-fighter/bomber ship, this successful class rapidly became the most produced capital class vessel in the Order. With an advanced reactor and superior targeting system, the Hathor has superior firepower, to meet the needs of its intended role; to reduce any hostile scouts trying to penetrate Order territory to their core, flaming, components.
that = info card