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Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Ant - 03-19-2007
Accusations have been brought of the AW supporting criminal groups. The AW have also been accused of terrorist activity(Please review this for full details).
Please list your name and/or ship name when voting as well as any comments you would like to make.
Zoner tag and ID is a requirement for participation.
As AW have stated that they are not "true" Zoners, and are instead just affiliated, they are ineligible for the vote.
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In my opinion, if the Asgard Warriors are prepared to cease all alliances and enmity with all other factions, they should be allowed to continue in their role in Omicron Theta.
"Allied" and "Kill on Sight" should be cut from diplomacy as these conflict with Zoner requirements for neutrality. There is however nothing wrong with "friendly" or "unfriendly" status based on the actions others have shown previously.
On the matter of compensation, this is best dealt with by diplomats from AW and those they have attacked.
If the AW wish to aid the Zoners of Omicron Theta, they should act in the best interests of the people living there.
Alan Kell, [~V~]YTC-2362
Quote:Please list your name and/or ship name when voting as well as any comments you would like to make.
Zoner tag and ID is a requirement for participation.
Please note: If the number of votes and names of Zoners do not match up, the vote may be considered to be invalid.
You are not required to post what you voted for, just your ship name.
Do not triple post. Use the edit button instead.
Korrd
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Malaclypse 666 - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:Please note: If the number of votes and names of Zoners do not match up, the vote may be considered to be invalid.
Heh.
Well, as I saw the thread, and noted 23 viewings, i thought that might be my cue. Hail Eris!
I took the last option. This allows AW to work out their own issues, brought upon themselves, without further action from other Zoners, except the constant vigilance against further unilateral "zoner" actions.
I cast one vote,
my numbers are legion.
"Mal"
Veranda Incognita
Temporary Autonomous Zoner
[~V~]Malaclypse
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - TankTarget - 03-19-2007
Umm Mal, Ant...no matter what anyone says the AW will remain Zoner...that much Dab has told me... So unless Igiss, Korrd or Angel says they are no longer Zoner they are Zoner (Not meaning to speak for AW in any way just an observation)
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Koolmo - 03-19-2007
Well, here's my say: I think that the AW should both cut off their affiliations with the Zoners, and begin to compensate those whom they've made war upon, or begin activities a new as Zoners. Thusly, I vote 2, but with #4 being a close second. I would also like to see public apologies to the Zoner community for the bad name they've brought to us.
Koolmo
Veranda Incognita
Temporary Autonomous Zoner
[~V~]Koolmo
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Ant - 03-19-2007
It can be concluded from those who have placed valid votes that there is a general preference(I'm sure the veracity of the other voters can be verified independantly).
If all votes can be independantly verified, we have a clear majority stating that action should be taken against the AW in order to maintain Zoner neutrality.
The AW have shown themselves unwilling to abide by Zoner neutrality agreements.
At this time we have a 7 to 3 majority calling for the cessation of Zoner affiliation for AW.
Given that the AW have made no effort to achieve full neutrality by ceasing all alliances and vendetta, we have a clear 70% calling for an end to Zoner support for the AW.
It is apparent that the Zoners in Omicron Theta may be unable to prevent the Asgard Warriors from continuing to masquerade as Zoners, due to the military force the AW have at their disposal.
I would like to apologise to the people of Sirius for the criminal actions of Zoner affiliated ships.
Any sanctions of a political, economic or military nature that other groups may wish to take against the Asgard Warriors will not be impeded by the Zoner people.
Until such time as the AW accede to the minimum Zoner neutrality requirements(Allies: None, Enemies: None), Omicron Theta should be considered to be controlled by a criminal group who do not represent the Zoners.
Zoner groups will be expected to set their diplomacy to Neutral with the AW.
Alan Kell
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Korrd - 03-19-2007
I fail to see a majority here. I only see a tie between many options.
Also, as Igiss stated, Zoner ID is the one that fits the AW better. And I also think that.
I only see a grudge here against the AW, not a valid poll. So unless other admin say something against what im stating here, this poll is invalid.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Malaclypse 666 - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:I fail to see a majority here. I only see a tie between many options.
Also, as Igiss stated, Zoner ID is the one that fits the AW better. And I also think that.
I only see a grudge here against the AW, not a valid poll. So unless other admin say something against what im stating here, this poll is invalid.
Korrd: *(ooc)*
We are not conducting a poll in preface to asking Admin to change any rulings.
I do think the "grandfathering" of AW's status may be a bit pretentious, but:
That is not the point.
The point is that other Zoners feel that the AW has not been acting in their interest. The poll is solely for those persons to decide upon further courses of action, if any.
Are you sure you wouldn't prefer a nice Mercenary ID?
We may be calling you to Canaria to negotiate and discuss this further. For now, Just let it be known that AW no longer speaks for all Zoners in Sirius. And that's the fact.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Ant - 03-19-2007
Very well, I'll post OOC if you insist.
' Wrote:I fail to see a majority here. I only see a tie between many options.As stated in the first option: "If they are unwilling to abide by Zoner neutrality, they should cease all Zoner affiliation."
Quote:Also, as Igiss stated, Zoner ID is the one that fits the AW better. And I also think that.I would be within my rights to have a grudge after constant harrassment ingame. I try to prevent that from affecting my judgement. A week away from the server helped to put things in perspective.
I only see a grudge here against the AW, not a valid poll. So unless other admin say something against what im stating here, this poll is invalid.
This issue goes beyond my personal feelings, reflecting instead on the non-RP behaviour of AW, Dab in particular.
If this is an RP server and the AW want to have Zoner tag and ID, they should act like Zoners and value neutrality above all other considerations.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Kane - 03-19-2007
The problem, as I see it, isn't exactly that AW use Zoner IDs and such. It's that they use them regardless of their continued claims to not be true Zoners.
Despite this, they represent Zoners. Something has to change, or this won't end. I'm reserving my vote for now, untill someone can offer a clear alternative that would help the real issue.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Dab - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:The point is that other Zoners feel that the AW has not been acting in their interest. The poll is solely for those persons to decide upon further courses of action, if any.
'Other Zoner's' being only you, Koolmo, and Ant. All three of you have vendettas against the AW. Koolmo is SF. Ant is SF, and you already showed you dislike when you shot an AW with your KNF char in direct violation of the KNF's rep list, which states that AW and KNF are neutral. You also didn't have the support of the other KNF in that attack. I see this poll as biased by the three who made it. Before this was made I had never even seen Ant with a Zoner ship. Not one ever.
' Wrote:We may be calling you to Canaria to negotiate and discuss this further. For now, Just let it be known that AW no longer speaks for all Zoners in Sirius. And that's the fact.
We never have. I have said at least 3 times Mal, we don't speak for the Zoners. AT ALL. You have selective hearing, or reading skills, however you want to call it.
' Wrote:I would be within my rights to have a grudge after constant harassment in game. I try to prevent that from affecting my judgment. A week away from the server helped to put things in perspective.
'Harassment' is not what you call war. Ant, you calling us fighting your SA and SF harassment. If that were harassment, I could get every pirate on the server banned. How about using REAL excuses, not manufactured ones.
' Wrote:Despite this, they represent Zoners. Something has to change, or this won't end. I'm reserving my vote for now, untill someone can offer a clear alternative that would help the real issue.
Finally someone who is trying to FIX a situation, not punish people who have no need to be punished.