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Order / Corsair alliance - ... kur nubėgo? - 11-30-2009
Now since I tried to use the search engine, but it failed. (perhaps after teh forum board clean up it got deleted) I am going to make a new one. The reason why im using necromancy is one veryimportant argument that is agianst the current stance of diplomacy.
Arguments agianst:
* Corsairs are bad people. Trying to conquer us much territory as possible. Plunder the riches and fuel their empire, no matter by what means. Rememeber good old movies abouta villains who dreamed abotu world domination and laughed like a madmen?:crazy:
While Order are a good guys. Who cares to save everyone from terrible nomads. Quite ... nice team of uber villains and superheros..
* Order tend to have variuos allies which are Corsairs enemies. Like Blood Dragons or Even Outcasts. I dont think COrsairs would trust them in the first place.
* Corsairs gains nothing from current alliance. Order do not help at war with outcasts. Defend of gamma? dont give me that. THe answer- you dont. I was flying quite a lot on my corsair character, and fought Outcasts in gamma about 8 - 9 times. No order shown up.
Arguments for being in alliance.
* Its canon. I dont know why, I cant explain why, but some from devs tells it - I do, no matter if it ruins my rp or do not complies with logical thinking. Yes? This is crap - not an argument. Same as: "It is becouse I say so" does not help to convince people on regular terms, does it?
* Technology share.. mainly Osiris. It was the main reason why we got in alliance. Let me quite one of the senor members, Elder of the Corsairs:
' Wrote:Also a big part is it wasn't that the Order gave the Sairs the Osiris blueprints to make Sairs a stung fleet. Until recently the Order didn't have the facilities to build them, so they asked the Sairs to build the ships for them. Without the Sairs building those ships, the Order would have been wiped out by the BHG and Liberty long ago.
... oops... But last time I checked about osiris is: "<...> Even the Corsairs want this vessel in active service although the Order is loathe to allow even it's vague allies access to this ship." And: "Special request or posted forum roleplay is required for Corsairs ID'd characters to use."
This actually denies the main reason why we got in the alliance at the first place, if Corsairs are no longer allowed to have their share of the bargain? Or you changed history and corsairs no longer have the blueprints?.. or .. wait. if you did, you overleft something. Like Corsair - Order alliance. That ship was the main reason. If you take it away it ruins all the rp story why we got into such diplomatic stance.
* Holds off nomad invasion. - oh this is really nuisense. ORder would fight squishes anyhow. They do not need to be in alliance for that. They are protecting Liberty from nomads same as protecting Corsairs. But the diplomatic stance its a bit diffrent.
* Fight BHG... Alright. YOu think Corsairs would stop fight bhg in those systems. Ororder would stop doing that. Or they would stop to shot common enemy? Come on. There is lot's of factions who have comon enemies but they are not allied.
This is not enought reason to be in an alliance, and to trow a lot of resources to help order than it .. shakes it heads from Corsairs.
Well what you think?
Order / Corsair alliance - Boss - 11-30-2009
' Wrote:Well what you think?
The irritating "tl;dr" aside.
I'm sick of seeing full-Solaris Corsair Guard Osiris. Particularly in Alpha/Delta/Iota/99/90. (This has nothing to do with my vote)
Neutral. If that.
Order / Corsair alliance - ... kur nubėgo? - 11-30-2009
Oh, by the way, I would stay with neutral too.
All this poll is made not to choose the currect stance but to make sure, if it should be an alliance in the first place.
Thank you for your attention.
Order / Corsair alliance - Tenacity - 11-30-2009
Quote:* Corsairs gains nothing from current alliance. Order do not help at war with outcasts. Defend of gamma? dont give me that. THe answer- you dont. I was flying quite a lot on my corsair character, and fought Outcasts in gamma about 8 - 9 times. No order shown up.
That's because we've sworn to stay out of your petty little outcast-corsair conflict. Ironically enough, the corsairs provide nothing to the order at the moment either.
Quote:* Its canon. I dont know why, I cant explain why, but some from devs tells it - I do, no matter if it ruins my rp or do not complies with logical thinking. Yes? This is crap - not an argument. Same as: "It is becouse I say so" does not help to convince people on regular terms, does it?
Actually, it's not. It's only "canon" by discovery standards, the corsair-order alliance never existed in vanilla freelancer. Hell, you never even encounter corsairs outside of money-making missions in the freelancer campaign.
When discovery was relatively young, someone decided that The Order needed a major ally, and Corsairs were chosen for two reasons: they're close, and they're enemies with the nomad-worshipping outcasts. Neither of those reasons is particularly good, nor do they really warrant a full fledged alliance, which is why this controversy has come up so often lately.
Quote:... oops... But last time I checked about osiris is: "<...> Even the Corsairs want this vessel in active service although the Order is loathe to allow even it's vague allies access to this ship." And: "Special request or posted forum roleplay is required for Corsairs ID'd characters to use."
Special RP isnt required for the corsairs to use an osiris, to my knowledge, since the ship is sold on one or two corsair-owned stations. According to the tech guidelines, if something is sold on one of your faction's bases, you can use it regardless.
The plans for the osiris were given to the corsairs - although stripped of most technological advantages the ship has, in-RP. The Corsairs have been building that ship for a long time now, and I see no reason to remove their ability to do so - however, I think that two versions of the Osiris need to be created, with the corsair version having a different name and perhaps altered stats - this way, if the alliance is broken, there wont be issues with the corsairs who do use the ship.
We've been discussing this amongst order high command for quite some time now, and most of us are in favor of removing this alliance in favor of a neutral stance between our two factions. However, nothing has been made official or announced yet, and until then nothing will change.
Order / Corsair alliance - Sprolf - 11-30-2009
The reasons for this alliance (which were actually due to player number issues and the Order having little to do) have expired and the union is actually quite outdated.
It should be removed as quickly as possible.
Order / Corsair alliance - Tenacity - 11-30-2009
' Wrote:The reasons for this alliance (which were actually due to player number issues and the Order having little to do) have expired and the union is actually quite outdated.
It should be removed as quickly as possible.
Dont rush things, it would be wise to establish new allegiances before completely cutting off the current ones, lest we be left without guaranteed allies and alone to face the enemy.
Currently, the Order has the following allegiances:
-Corsairs
-Hogosha
-Zoners
Everyone has their own opinions on whom we should ally with next, but I think it should change to the following:
-Blood Dragons
-Zoners
-?
With the ? being either GMG for resources and weapons, or the Bundschuh for relations with Rheinland.
Order / Corsair alliance - DarthCloakedGuy - 11-30-2009
Tenacity's suggestion would be much more canon.
In SP, Order agents were among Outcasts, Dragons, Rogues, and they also have 'contacts' in Rheinland... Bundschuh maybe?
Order / Corsair alliance - Walker - 11-30-2009
To say much I find that if we broke allegiances with the 'sairs we would be constantly harassed by lolwutters...
They see me rolling...
They hatin...
They just tell me 10m or die...
Is what would happen to my Neph next time I take it down Kappa :\
To say much, why Bund? Doesn't the RM already hail us as heroes?
Order / Corsair alliance - Sprolf - 11-30-2009
Bundschuh, yes.
They're some of the Order's oldest allies.
But, if we're taking single player literally, the Order had contacts and agents everywhere, so diplomacy wouldn't matter.
Order / Corsair alliance - reavengitair - 11-30-2009
BD alliance will only happen if the corsair alliance was wiped from ever having existed. It won't work if we just cancel or end the alliance.