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Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - Dab - 12-02-2009
It ain't fun for the other side, no matter how much you like it.
There was a thread I made for this a few months back after a situation arose where someone was blatantly powerplaying against other people in-RP.. I can't seem to find it, probably due to it being in flood and thus deleted when that section was cleaned.
If it did exist, I'd be bumping it, because a lot of people these days seem to be forgetting that this community runs on mutual respect. Sure, you may not like another person, especially if they are doing something you don't like... But powerplaying in-RP is not an acceptable way to vent your anger. This server is meant to be fun for everyone who plays it, and the players need to make sure it stays that way by showing the other side the same respect you would want. Put yourself in their shoes, ask, "Would I like this to happen to me?" And then ask, "would he like this to happen to him?"
I'm not saying that everything in-RP you do has to be liked by everyone.. But there is a line that shouldn't be crossed.
This is not aimed at any one person or situation, but has come about from what I have seen, and what I've talked with others about, for the last few weeks.
There is a person behind that character you see, show them some courtesy.
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - Sprolf - 12-02-2009
And, then again, it's always possible to play along with said person... sometimes it ends up being fairly fun. Rather than chafing against each other, going with the flow and maybe helping the roleplay along and tailoring it to be a little more logical can be much more fun for both parties. Both sides can get involved, instead of one side resisting, refusing to step out on a limb, and being unwilling to give things a try.
It's not like things in Discovery are going to permanently change with the events of this roleplay - unless the roleplay actually turn out good.
Let them have their fun?
If one person is "powergaming," they're not going to be the type that's actually able to convince a developer to change Sirius permanently with the effects of said roleplay. Things will go back to normal after the it runs its course, so what's the big deal?
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - ... kur nubėgo? - 12-02-2009
Mad on Joker?.. That was actually one of the most intresting stories to fallow. And awsome rp as I see it.
I remembered that someone said that powerroleplaying is not bad. Bah. No im not trying to defend here anyone. But if you piss off someone in RP, take the responasibility. And even if the persoan dislikes you, it doesn't mean that he does it just becouse of it.
But, well, in some cases, Dab, you are right.
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - Lump Lorry - 12-02-2009
' Wrote:It ain't fun for the other side, no matter how much you like it.
There was a thread I made for this a few months back after a situation arose where someone was blatantly powerplaying against other people in-RP.. I can't seem to find it, probably due to it being in flood and thus deleted when that section was cleaned.
If it did exist, I'd be bumping it, because a lot of people these days seem to be forgetting that this community runs on mutual respect. Sure, you may not like another person, especially if they are doing something you don't like... But powerplaying in-RP is not an acceptable way to vent your anger. This server is meant to be fun for everyone who plays it, and the players need to make sure it stays that way by showing the other side the same respect you would want. Put yourself in their shoes, ask, "Would I like this to happen to me?" And then ask, "would he like this to happen to him?"
I'm not saying that everything in-RP you do has to be liked by everyone.. But there is a line that shouldn't be crossed.
This is not aimed at any one person or situation, but has come about from what I have seen, and what I've talked with others about, for the last few weeks.
There is a person behind that character you see, show them some courtesy.
I agree. Powerplaying is the worse thing for the gaming environment, also cause the guy on the loosing side might feel so hungry that he might seek revenge sooner or later... and sometimes these people do not retailate on the offender but against an offender's friend or somebody that belong to the same faction of the offender... so powerplayers are not harming only the occasional victim but (indirectly) also their own friends and faction mates. This is an additional reason why powerplaying must be avoided: it often leads to even more powerplaying from other parties and, if not stopped (or sanctioned), it would lead to a very bad gaming experience for everybody. This is exactely the reason why server rules and sanctions exists: to avoid that the behaviour of few will turn bad the gaming experience for everybody.
' Wrote:There is a person behind that character you see, show them some courtesy.
/quote^2 very well said... we all must remember it! Every time!
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - dead_shot - 12-02-2009
If there is FAIR PLAY involved, then limits of the RP are determined by the limits of imagination of those involved, not by something YOU decide to be the "powergaming/metagaming/powerplaying."
Joker was not the only one involved, there were many of us who were playing along. You, in fact, were invited to play, but you refused because the game didn't go the way you like it.
The rest of us had great time and we're looking forward to something similar. We like playing the game, you see, in-game and on forums.
Only thing YOU did, on the other hand, was to run to Admins and request for Joker's and Thugs' rep to be adjusted.
And you have the nerve to call for a "trial-by-forum"?
If it wasn't sad, it would be really funny.
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - Dab - 12-02-2009
' Wrote:Mad on Joker?.. That was actually one of the most intresting stories to fallow. And awsome rp as I see it.This is not about the Joker incident, and I'm actually here speaking for others, not myself.
' Wrote:If there is FAIR PLAY involved, then limits of the RP are determined by the limits of imagination of those involved, not by something YOU decide to be the "powergaming/metagaming/powerplaying."Shark, you shouldn't make unwarranted assumptions. I RP'd the whole Joker situation as much, possibly even more, than most of the other Jokers. Both on forums, which you saw, and in-game, which you didn't. If you don't believe me, ask the Joker himself, he'll tell you we spent about 45 minutes in-game just talking in-RP with each other.
Joker was not the only one involved, there were many of us who were playing along. You, in fact, were invited to play, but you refused because the game didn't go the way you like it.
The rest of us had great time and we're looking forward to something similar. We like playing the game, you see, in-game and on forums.
Only thing YOU did, on the other hand, was to run to Admins and request for Joker's and Thugs' rep to be adjusted.
And you have the nerve to call for a "trial-by-forum"?
If it wasn't sad, it would be really funny.
You're the one trying to make a trial by forum. Maybe you should find out what the causes for this thread really were before trying to put me on trial Shark.
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - dead_shot - 12-02-2009
' Wrote:This is not about the Joker incident, and I'm actually here speaking for others, not myself.
Shark, you shouldn't make unwarranted assumptions. I RP'd the whole Joker situation as much, possibly even more, than most of the other Jokers. Both on forums, which you saw, and in-game, which you didn't. If you don't believe me, ask the Joker himself, he'll tell you we spent about 45 minutes in-game just talking in-RP with each other.
You're the one trying to make a trial by forum. Maybe you should find out what the causes for this thread really were before trying to put me on trial Shark.
Either way, I stick to what I've said here:
Quote:If there is FAIR PLAY involved, then limits of the RP are determined by the limits of imagination of those involved, not by something YOU decide to be the "powergaming/metagaming/powerplaying."
And regarding this part:
Quote:Shark, you shouldn't make unwarranted assumptions.
Are you denying my statement that as a regular player, not leader of an official faction you requested from Admins to fix the Joker's and Thugs' rep and that it was granted?
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - Guest - 12-02-2009
Well Dab we all think this is about Joker. Isn`t powergaming not to listen to joker demands and staying on position as a council chairman ( well it`s a game no one can make you to step down on your position, what kind of RP is to let bunch of people die, you could at least act as leaving the chairman position to see what will happen with bombs)...that was powergaming or powerroleplaying
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - Akura - 12-02-2009
I don't like the Joker, he doesn't belong here.
He is, literally, a carbon copy of the one from Batman.
If you ignore him, he can't actually do anything.
Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying - Anunaki - 12-02-2009
Dab, can you specify exactly what you meant with powergaming, in this recent incident, and also for the one where there was the mentioned thread?
Would be useful to have as many concrete examples of what is called 'powergaming' or 'metagaming' ingame. Right now it cant really be discussed because we would have to guess what you mean.
Examples of metgaming/powergaming I can think of:
1: Joker asking you to resign from your Zoner position because he didt like what you did to one of his friends
If thats the one you mean, I think its a legitimate thing to do in RP. I think you handled that situation very well, by not giving in. It was the correct thing to do, and what any goverment would have done (for example german gov didnt bow to the RAF rote armee fraktion). A small comment... if he had done the same thing to someone else, admins possibly wouldnt have set him red with all zoners. It was the right thing to do, but I think it wouldnt have been done to help many other zoners apart from you.
2: Another thing that I consider meta/powergaming is this: taking up a position agianst your own faction or allies to help someone who would actually be your enemy, because of personal relations with players.
Many examples for this. Saronsen shot Order ships to defend oracles (because he didnt like the Order players), he sided with Outcasts and Phantoms to shoot LN (because he didnt liek the navy players), and was as I hear very triggerhappy with is juggy.
The argument that is almost put forward is 'fairness' and that the other people are 'pvp-whore', but the REAL reason is that you rather side with the players behind the characters, because they your friends or you consider them more influencial.
Of course the peopel that you shoot or the allies that you dont help notice this, and it really cooks up tempers.
What are the concrete examples you consider powergaming?