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Liners need speed, not cargo space - alance - 11-20-2007
Transport balancing looks really good so far Igiss, thanks for putting some time in on it. I do have a couple of additional suggestions which I'm sure you are happy to hear:D
Let me preface this by saying I have no idea what your plan is for Liners. If you're going to be making them more like they were in beta 3, or if you're improving L7 turrets or something, please ignore my suggestions regarding Liners below. However if you're planning on just keeping Liners as transports with fancy towels, please consider what I have to say;)
Current Liner Stats in Beta 4
Luxury Liner -- 4600 , 220000 , 0.3333 , 80/140 , 11 turr , CD , CM , $114,577,456
Royal Liner -- 4300 , 215000 , 0.2667 , 80/140 , 9 turr , CD , CM , $96,000,000
Prison Liner -- 4000 , 180000 , 0.3333 , 80/140 , 9 turr , CD , CM , $78,472,464
Kusari Liner -- 2500 , 75000 , 0.7000 , 80/140 , 7 turr , CD , CM , $12,600,000
Proposed Liner Stats in Beta 5
Luxury Liner -- 2400, 220000 , 0.3657 , 80/200, 11 turr , CD , CM , $62,000,000
Royal Liner -- 2200, 215000 , 0.3333 , 80/200, 9 turr , CD , CM , $63,500,000
Prison Liner -- 2000 , 180000 , 0.4101 , 80/200, 9 turr , CD , CM , $48,000,000
Kusari Liner -- 1500 , 95000 , 0.6000 , 80/200, 7 turr , CD , CM , $22,500,000
To sum up:
Luxury Liner -- Reduced cargo, slightly better agility, max. thrust, lower price
Royal Liner -- Reduced cargo, slightly better agility, max. thrust, lower price
Prison Liner -- Reduced cargo, better agility, max. thrust, lower price
Kusari Liner -- Reduced cargo, reduced agility, max. thrust, increased price
Explanation of the changes:
Rather than give the liners huge cargo bays for hauling Boron and Scrap Metal, it would make more sense to keep them smaller but provide more of what a liner is for... And that's moving people quickly and safely. By cutting the cargo bay sizes we end up with ships that are still massive but a big part of that mass can be considered engines. (Passenger service is typically fast! Look at the old trans-Atlantic liners and the current Bullet trains, much faster than freighters!!)
Feedback from the impartial audience requested;)
Liners need speed, not cargo space - Vape - 11-20-2007
heres my opinion, slow down the Bretonia crusier liner
myslef and several other BSG members caught Unselie flying a Bretoinia one with a GC id and unselie docked at an IMG base.
unfortunately we couldnt coax em out.
Liners need speed, not cargo space - Drake - 11-20-2007
' Wrote:heres my opinion, slow down the Bretonia crusier liner
myslef and several other BSG members caught Unselie flying a Bretoinia one with a GC id and unselie docked at an IMG base.
unfortunately we couldnt coax em out.
Er, what's that got to do with the speed? It only has a 140 thrust speed.
Honestly, I'd be more in favor of, with the possible exception of the Kusari Beetle, keeping them slow but making them more combat capable again.
Liners need speed, not cargo space - Vape - 11-20-2007
whatever, id like to see them less armed (had an unpleasant run in with one in SP, even with their current armament.)
Liners need speed, not cargo space - alance - 11-20-2007
' Wrote:heres my opinion, slow down the Bretonia crusier linerNobody is going to slow liners down below their current 140m/s thrust speed, that's silly. And don't start some sort of flame war with Unseelie in here about tags and docking and avoidance of PvP.
myslef and several other BSG members caught Unselie flying a Bretoinia one with a GC id and unselie docked at an IMG base.
unfortunately we couldnt coax em out.
Liners need speed, not cargo space - LancerZero - 11-20-2007
And you expected her to come out to get blown up? Wouldn't be very good RP, that. =P As for her liner, there's RP behind it. Don't have the link handy though, sorry.
Morrigan, as usual, I am in favor of your suggested changes. Can't think of anything else to add, except for my support.
And I plan on making another thread later today, unless somebody beats me to it, about level 7 turrets...cruisers can't mount gunboat turrets, gotta be a way to make transports unable to mount fighter turrets, among other things. (going to delete this comment from my post as soon as I make the thread)
Liners need speed, not cargo space - Jinx - 11-20-2007
agreed - they were filling a niche before being armoured transports mk2 sort of - now they are transports ( with a different shape ) thats all.
it d be nice if they were back to more "special abilities" again but sacrifice cargo space for that.
Luxory Liner/Prison Liner:
- luxory ( naturally ) for that luxory, it gives up space in favour for convenience. ( remember, VIPs taking up 5 cargo slots, cause they come with special cabins. so just cause the liners are large, shouldn t mean they have so much room.
- advanced protection: they are carrying the most valuable goods, humans. so their armor aswell as their weapons should be well ahead of anything else. ( i d rather like to see the prison liner to have 11 turrets and the luxory liner to have 9 )
- advanced speed: boron does not become angry when it arrives 1 hour too late, passengers do. - so i think liners should fly 100/200 ( but they don t need an agility boast )
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Royal Liner:
- thought it was supposed to be a show off... like "look here, i just purchased an incredibly expensive ship, that is for looks only" - i really thought it would be some half a billion ship with nothing more than luxory liner stats. - something a casual player would hardly buy, but a large pirate faction would maybe work for to use as a pirate kings HQ/throne.
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kusari liner:
- i don t like star trek ships - no comment here.
Liners need speed, not cargo space - Vape - 11-20-2007
nice....i agree with that.
and i wont start a flame war...maybe later....
anyway...someone mind giving me the link to that RP reason as to why unselie would dock at a hostile base?
hell..if she had come out we wouldnt have harmed her (the other bSG members, i had an itchy trigger finger at the time, but i reserved that for the CYLON i shot down)
Liners need speed, not cargo space - alance - 11-20-2007
Vape, just PM Unseelie about it, that is the first step to not causing flame wars. TALK DIRECTLY TO THE PERSON. Please.
Liners need speed, not cargo space - RingoW - 11-20-2007
For what purpose transports and liners are in need of cruise disruptors? Transports and liners are build to haul cargo and passengers and have small self defending capabilities. Instead of cruise disrupters they should be equipped with mine droppers to reinforce their defensive equipment.
AoM
Edit @ Jinx: Create a new Kusari Liner. You have the talent for.